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Saturday, January 6, 2007

(Updated Sunday, January 7, 2007 7:10 A.M)
There is a young man named Justin XXXXX, Justin XXXXX, or Guy XXXXX. He goes by all 3. He is posting on Craigslist.org and other websites trying to find a nanny position. Be warned, he is a fraud! He is currently being sued by at least one family that he has scammed. His references are all fake. You can check them yourself.

ed. As always, we assume posts are submitted in good faith. We welcome any person described on this blog the opportunity to refute, correct or explain a claim or sighting. -JD

Sunday, January 7, 2006 -Response (rec'd 7:10 AM)
To The Women Who Continues to Post Attacks Against My Name ("Emma"):
I would like to start with three words: ...I ------ forgive ------- you.
The purpose of this posting is not an attack against your name, but rather a much-needed response to the false claims that you have continued to post in my name. At first, I saw deep pain and - in light of your painful attacks - I saw a situation where I might be able to really make a difference in someone's life. I sent you a private email (no response) still offering to work for you. I did not make this public because it was a sincere offer: I didn't want it to seem like I was just trying to look good. But at this point, I will have to publicly retract this offer because of the level of disparity that you have reached. Over the course of the passed two weeks, you have invested several hours posting ungrounded & provocative claims against me on several Internet-based childcare sites. I understand that you are also a mother of four children and a professional talent manager. To me, I see these as full-time obligations, yet you seem to take pride in sifting through every posting on craigslist to find the ones that are mine so that you can reply with a false offer & post a response or flag it down within the span of a few hours.I do not have the time to babysit the craigslist website, nor do I wish to compete with you: anger, vengeance and rage are qualities that I can never accept.While this posting is again directed at you (since you will not allow private communication) it is also to the craigslist community at large (see below) as well as to my fellow nannies & supporting parties! It was really nice to see so much in favor of me :)
click here to continue reading Justin's response

65 comments:

Anonymous said...

I happen to know this "sighting" or story if you will has more to the story than has been posted! The OP left out MANY details! Do not be fooled..there are 2 sides to this story and the posting is unfair!..signed..a supporter of Justin

Anonymous said...

I truly hope that Justin takes the opportunity to refute this claim and the cranky old lady that has been bad mouthing him all over CL and various nanny websites knocks it off! You know thw whole story..why not post it chicky?? You are not all that innocent now..are you?!

Anonymous said...

Justin..what's your story?

Anonymous said...

To the OP..can you elaborate? Or is it truly that one sided?

Anonymous said...

Justin, Are you looking for a job? Some random woman is posting things about you on all kinds of chatboards and CL. This blog did not use your last time but also gave you the chance to tell your side of the story. Maybe you can get a job offer out of it? Post your resume here. I mean if someone is maliciously badmouthing someone, there is no excuse. Especially a former employer (who you can sue).

Anonymous said...

Team Justin!!!

Anonymous said...

ok op now is your chance!! convince us that your post is legit!!

Anonymous said...

Justin, Did you post on here once before about your nanny girlfriend. (use search bar at bottom and search "sugar in the raw").
If you are innocent, Justin- I encourage you to tell your story here. Maybe this will atleast silence the person who is posting a barage of posts about you on every mom and parent and childcare blog.

Anonymous said...

Kitty has claws.

Anonymous said...

Oh Sweet Jesus. No you didn't bring up Sugar in The Raw Poster. That was the most exhaustively self serving piece of drivel I ever had to read. In the end I found myself wishing he were across the table from me, so that I could stick a fork in his forehead.

Nicole said...

I would love to know what city and state this Justin person is in. I do agree he needs to be open in telling his side. However, there could be more conflict in telling his side as well...who knows!

~Nicole

lisa l said...

The person making the claims is obviously a nut. If a nanny wanted to lie about her references, how would that even be a matter that would turn it to a lawsuit? It isn't right but people lie about their references everyday! I would like to know more about this Emma. Is she a spurned lover or disgruntled former employer? Is there a difference?

Anonymous said...

Justin..I think you have a liable suit against "Emma". If this reads true..I would pursue it!

Anonymous said...

oh sugar in the raw poster. good times. where is he now?????

Anonymous said...

To say someone is addicted to porn is such a blase and vague generalization-it reeks of untruth. If you really wanted to accuse someone of a porn addiction, you would have more specifics to site. For example, "she is addicted to tranny porn" or "he rather fancies leprechaun porn".

Anonymous said...

I am the OP. Here is a quick wrap up what I know about Justin. I could go on all day if I had the time. He just graduated from college. His household manager and governess positions were both while he was in high school. After comparing his website and his resume nothing matched up. He was in a live-in clinic for eating disorders during his senior year in high school. He claims he was a live-in nanny to 3 children during that time. He also claims to have been a hotel manager during his freshman year of high school. You can do a reverse look up the phone numbers of the references he gives. One has the same last name as him. I’m assuming it’s his sister. I also find it funny that his reference letter is in the exact same writing style as his website. (His writing style is pretty distinct.) He claims to have way to much experience for his age (21).Justin posts a letter from Emma on his personal blog. She apologizes for the things she’s wrote about him and says that he confided in her and her husband that he had been having problems with his boyfriend and is seeking psychiatric help for that and other addictions including pornography. I don’t know if she really wrote it or if he did. Either way I believe he has a pornography addiction because why would HE post that on his personal blog if it was not true? It’s very easy to see that this young man is a fake. You can google any of the 3 names he goes by and if you read closely and compare, you will see that nothing matches up. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want anyone trusting their children to a porn addicted lier. By the way I am not Emma. This is just a concerned nanny.

Anonymous said...

Emma..you are so lucky you have not been sued! And I think what Justin is saying is true!! I looked through all of thee psots about him on several sites and theyt are either anonymous or bogus!! He hit the nail on the head..you don't want to be caught doing what you are doing so you hide behind a false ID!! How sad!

Anonymous said...

a manny with manorexia?

Anonymous said...

"Emily" is a mother of 4 children? Where is her husband? Why isn't he able to keep her inline?
A previous employer is not allowed to do things that prevent you from procurring employment. Not only could you sue her for libel and slander, but intentional infliction of emotional distress and tortious interference with a business.
I hope for your sake Emily has $$$. It may take awhile, but when you win- it will be better than the lottery.

jen said...

Wow. Justin, my heart goes out to you. I think "Emma" is in the wrong. The above poster, 638, has a very valid point. Legally, a former employer cannot say anything about an employee other than that they worked for them. And I think it is inexcusable to post such crap all over the net. I myself hope you do sue for all the slander. Let it serve as an example to others.
Best of luck to you.

syl said...

Justin,
How long-if ever did you work for Emma? It is true that if she was an employer, she is completely screwed by having posted those things about you on CL. Make sure to print out copies.

Employers in our culture have all the power. This is the one thing they are NOT allowed to do. They can fire you at anytime for almost anything but they CANNOT lie about you or otherwise try to sabotage your reputation.

And you are not alone, there are many cases like this in the works as we speak. Some famous ones have been settled, including famous nanny involved cases (for example that talk radio host out of NY). Etc. Okay that wasn't the one I was thinking of, but there are many!
www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1130041imus1.html

Anonymous said...

just as a landlord cannot give a "Bad "Reference.a former employer cannot either!! Justin..please do not let this woman get away with this for your sake and for the sake of her future employees!

Anonymous said...

When someone preys upon my trust, the way the OP claims Justin has done to her and is trying to do to others, I focus on trying to stop them in very much the same way the OP appears to be doing here. I don't think she has to be a spurned lover; I think she feels misused by someone who lied and misrepresented himself, and she wants to both get the satisfaction of knowing she was able to do something about it and warn others.
I say if one is interested in hiring Justin, s/he should at least take this as a yellow flag. If everything in his resume and references checks out on careful scrutiny, then go ahead and hire him if you're so inclined. That's all it takes to know for sure if he's 100% truthful. Check carefully. If he's not, then I'll bet you'd appreciate the heads up the OP gave.
No need to debate the facts if you don't know them - just a reminder to carefully check a nanny's references and claims. It's your responsibility to your children in any case.

Anonymous said...

I just googled justin and found out that he was a college freshman in 2003. That would put in high school from 1999-2002 give or take a year. On his resume he states he was a Household Manager-Nanny/ Cook/ Private Teacher/ Chauffer from the fall of 2001-2003. Can you be a household manager in high school? He claims he was a hotel manager from 1998-2000. He was in middle school! Is that legal? It does sound a little fishy.

Anonymous said...

Ok I just found Justin on Myspace. He says he's 20. That means he graduated at 16. Thats completely possible, but that also means he was a hotel manager at 12????

Anonymous said...

I google a man after the second date and a nanny or household employee after the first phone contact. Don't even bring someone to your house without at least google-ing them!

JMT said...

This kid sounds really damaged. The sickest person I ever knew was a really smooth manipulator, very intelligent, very verbally gifted and could play up his childhood traumas and subsequent "healing processes" in a very sympathetic way. Down to being completely open about his "shameful secrets" with the attitude that he was so cool and trustworthy because he was willing to air all his private problems in public, creating a false intimacy with virtual strangers. He even said he was going to start his own religion because he could have and made a bundle.
This Justin guy sounds just like him. I know it's not the same person, but it is eerie how similar they are. Justin seems to protest too much, and -Holy Projection Batman! - he actually uses pornography as a metaphor for Emma's increasing need to warn people about him. Creepy in the extreme.
Take care of this guy people. He has a LOT of issues to deal with, and a lot to prove. I wouldn't let him operate around my family.

team justin said...

Emma,
Don't you think it is pretty obvious that you are posting in support of you? What happened? Seriously. If anyone is sick and messed up-it is you! In one of your posts, you say he is being sued by a former employer. So that would be a court case. And that would be public record. And that would certainly suggest (if it were true) that he was getting his. But you sound unreasonably bitter. The only time I have ever known employers to act this way to their former employers was when they were insanely jealous that the nanny, household manager, etc went to work for someone else! You sound vindictive! Leave this kid alone, already!

Anonymous said...

So he was a Household Manager-Nanny/ Cook/ Private Teacher/ Chauffer at 16? Pretty unlikely.

JMT said...

Team Justin: I am not Emma. But I have known two very sick people in my life, and the parallels between Justin and one of them are uncanny. And both of them had only a nodding acquaintance with the truth, and only if it suited them. A great sense of entitlement went along with their recoveries from their youth, and that seemed to justify everything they did to get ahead and do whatever they wanted.
I don't know Justin. But I read eveything he posted and it waved a big red flag. Especially his "I Forgive You" comment to Emma. Very magnanamous of him. Reminds me of pious people who say "I'll pray for you" in the most smug and condescending way, like they have God's ear or something.
Maybe he's an okay guy, but I say again, I wouldn't let Justin operate anywhere near my family. He admits to too many issues that he should deal with away from young children. Go work at a fine hotel, a spa - anywhere except entwining himself into the lives of a family.

Steve Bartelstein got glasses said...

What? Do you mean magnanimous?
You absolutely sound like Emma. You are taking this way too personally!

JMT said...

I threw in the extra "na" as a magnanimous gesture. And I am not Emma.
Please don't nitpick at spelling errors - it only serves to distract from the larger issues here.
I take this personally because I'm old enough to have had some scary people come into my life and I want to warn other trusting people. Oprah once said that people tell you who they are right away, so we should listen. Justin is putting it right out there, so believe him! Just listen to your gut. Don't buy eveything that people sell you.
If more parents would do that maybe we wouldn't read about so many bad caretakers on this site.

Anonymous said...

JMT, I agree with your point for the most part. But to continue to point out and bash Justin, it just seems like overkill! All of this stuff is already out there. It i warning enough. You come across as having an axe to grind.

JMT said...

I was responding to the person who kept thinking I was Emma so therefore nothing I had to say was valid.

Anonymous said...

It is not normal to identify so closely with "Emily" who has only alleged very vague things about this person! In fact, if someone calls you for a reference about a nanny, you still aren't legally supposed to say bad things about them! But if you take out multiple ads on multiple sides BASHING the person, without knowing Justin or anything about him, I tend to think the employer is a power tripping nutjob!

SUE SUE SUE SUE SUE SUE SUE SUE

Anonymous said...

You can search for yourself and compare HIS resume to HIS myspace profile and interviews HE gave. I'm not going by hearsay from craigslist or various websites. These are his own words. He messed up and didn't get his story straight.

Anonymous said...

But you miss my point, only the original poster (the disgruntled employer) or someone interviewing him right now should go through so much effort. Otherwise, it is insanity. Crazy insanity. The OP had her say, she put the word out about him. He responded. Why would anyone respond to fire back more bashing at him unless it was the same person who had the same axe to grind?

Anonymous said...

1st go to this website http://www.tricalifornia.com/wildflower/2004/results/olydvclgm.cfm and scroll down to Justin Womack. On the far right you will see how old he was on May 2, 2004. Says he was 19. I believe this is him because his college is listed as Pepperdine. This is where he says he went on his resume. But since I know you want to argue…..

Go to this website http://www.myspace.com/justinwomack and see how old he is now. He says he 20. Check out his pictures. The same pic. He posts here http://justinwomack.blogspot.com/ Ok this is him lets get on with it…..

Now Go to his website http://www.prolikefamily.com/ and view his resume.

You will see that from 2001-2003 he claims to have been a governess to 3 children. That would make him between 14-16 when he started. Is that possible?

Now you will also see that from 1998-2000 he claims to have been a fill in hotel manager. He would have been between 11 and 13 when he started. Is that possible?

It doesn’t take much digging to see that Justin is a big fake. God I hate having to spell it out for you guys who cry sue sue sue and don’t bother to do the research.

Anonymous said...

OMG, I would not do all of that work. I am not hiring the man and I have no interest in publicly attacking him. Whether his resume is true or not, how did that become your business unless you are OP and do have an axe to gring. You go look up libel and slander. My Uncle Joe frequents brothels when doing business in Nevada- but I don't have a right to send that info to all of his partners!

you are not normal said...

2:13,
you are way to vested in this! Way too! Get a hobby or something. May I suggest kite flying. Near elecrical wires.

Anonymous said...

as a rule I would never hire someone who had a myspace page.
But you are coming off more as a spurned lover then impartial observer of former employer. Whats the dealio?

Anonymous said...

I am not Emma and I am not interviewing him right now but I am a nanny with REAL references and REAL experience. I started at the bottom like everyone else and have worked my way to the top. It pisses me off that he wants to start at the top asking for $6/7 k per month when he dosen't have the references to back up his so called experience. I first heard about him from another nanny who had seen him posting in just about every city on craigslist. She said he sounded phony. I did my research and concluded he is. Hopefully if someone does hire him they will figure out pretty quickly that he is a fraud. Maybe thats why he's always looking for a job, because he keeps getting fired. Oh well, I'm done.

Anonymous said...

213, it's not the point of who is telling the truth. It's about how it is illegal for a former employer to publicly denounce someone. Whoever interviews Justin has the obligation to check out if his resume is accurate. Now, if he was a convicted child molester, then I would say pass word along. Because then he would be, or should be, registered. Lying about employment history is very bad, but I'm sure he wouldn't be the first.

pretty girls dont make me jealous said...

2:25,
Does this manny not get the same respect that the nannies demand? The nannies were supposedly outraged and called this sight anti nanny. Why then when giving a nanny/manny a chance to respond to libelous if not slanderous claims by an employer is another nanny beating him up? If you are the same nanny, you must be the same nanny who picks an antagonist viewpoint on every SINGLE blog. There is no pleasing you. You are never happy. If you were truly a great nanny, why would someone else phase you? Myself I am a stunner, and pretty girls don't make me jealous!

Anonymous said...

pretty girls, I'm beating him up because he LIED on his resume and on this one I have to side with the employer.

Anonymous said...

I never called this site anti nanny, hell I've never even posted here until I found out about justin. I think this site is great. A good nanny has nothing to worry about.

Anonymous said...

8:18,
we don't know that he lied to that employer, do we? It is the responsibility of every employer to check their employee's references. And do background checks. It is not a random fool's responsibility to slander another person regardless or whether he lied or not. Unless you are about to interview Justin, in which case I would double check his references, this shouldn't have you so hot and bothered.

Anonymous said...

If he gave an employer his resume he lied.

Anonymous said...

your argument then suggests that the nannies who wanted to start the alternate sight about bad mothers have every right to do so just because it's true.
You are the same poster who is hellbent on making sure everyone know he "lied". That's soooo over the top. All he did was lie? Assuming he did lie. Please, I have seen more horror stories than I care to share on this blog, but for someone to berate this one person acrosss 4 different websites just because he lied, it doesn't make sense. I had a housekeeper steal a jacket worth 5,000 from my house and a 7,000 bracelet. I never got it back and I sure didn't plaster her name on a bunch of websites!

Anonymous said...

I think any good nanny with credentials who works as a professional should be angered by someone hurting their profession. A bad nanny, bad doctor, bad police officer, bad teacher, bad plumber hurts the people who are proud of what they do well. So keep up the scrutiny. Don't allow the hacks to bring you down.

Anonymous said...

Why not? Do you want her to do the same to another household? Did you tell the police? Then it's a matter of public record. It's not libel if it's true.

And BTW people this is a web SITE, not sight.

Anonymous said...

I am somewhat sympathetic because my former employer did a real hatchet job on me. Or tried to. (In an effort to prevent me from working for other people.)
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz................

Anonymous said...

I don't have time to argue with you about libel and slander. If a person is not a public personna, you do not have the right to plaster their personal information all over the place, even if it is true! Go take a journalism class or something! Jeez!

Anonymous said...

11:26 "your argument then suggests that the nannies who wanted to start the alternate sight about bad mothers have every right to do so just because it's true". Absolutely! But also because we live in America and enjoy free speech. Why should parents be immune to being reported for abuse? Half the time the observers on this site don't know if they are seeing a nanny or a parent anyway. If nannies want to start a site, the more coverage the better to report abuse.
That's why we read this, isn't it?

Anonymous said...

Grand larceny isn't personal information last time I checked the newspaper's police blotter.

Anonymous said...

11:46,
EXACTLY. That is why with a real and legitimate issue, I handed it over to law enforcement! And pressed chargers. I did not reduce myself to some posting nympho on craigs list.

Anonymous said...

11:46 Your housekeeper stole your property. It's fine if you don't want to try to spread the word about her, especially if justice has been done.
I think the reason any employer who had a bad nanny might want to spread the word is because there are children involved. They are a real and legitimate issue too, more so than any thing that can be stolen. That's why people might go a little overboard, or really try to spread the word through nanny blogs, especially if Justin/whoever hasn't done anything prosecutable - yet.

Anonymous said...

thank you 135. You took the words out of my mouth.

Anonymous said...

11:58
THAT WAS THE FUNNIEST THING I HAVE READ THUS FAR!

Anonymous said...

I think Emma as a mom of four children as well you are smart in dropping this issue- this sounds like the makings of a law and order criminal intent written on it, Justin sounds psycho!!!! I would leave it alone and move on!
Not to mention a possible law suit implication on your part for slander or employer discrimination people have sued for less and gotten more. Good Luck!

roflwaffles! said...

lollerskates!!!

Anonymous said...

Wow, this dragged on for so long. Clearly this emma girl is too immature to handle rejection. What would cause someone to continue with all these hatred blogs and malicous accusations. I speak defending Justin because he is my brother. I am here to let you know he is one of the best people I have know. He practicly raised me and would definately make a good nanny. Futhermore blogging about his eating disorder crosses the line. It still saddens me that my brother experienced such rough high school years. Emma needs to get a life and stop interfering with my family. sicerely Sheldon Womack

ConcernedMom said...

Hello,

I am a mother and have received Justin's resume for employment. I have never seen so many red flags and am very concerned. The resume I received is different from the one that is referenced by a blogger above. How many versions are there? Also, let's not forget about what is important here, which is the safety of our children and families. If Justin is lying on his resume, which he CLEARLY is, then he has proven that he is dishonest and can't be trusted. For those who haven't seen his resume, I would suggest taking a peek. Check under education...he's been all over the place to do research from Israel to Nashville to Dayton! Is this possible while also working full-time? And why the need for 3 different names? Red flags. Justin may just be a person trying to make it in life, but I suggest that he find another line of work that doesn't require him to be in people's homes around their children, and handling personal matters. With his college education and lengthy list of volunteer work and research programs in the medical and nutritional fields, he should have no problem finding a great job. That is, if it's all true and he has the documentation to prove it. Let's keep our heads straight people...it's not about what a former employer is "saying" about him. Just look at his resume. I'm truly thankful that there is someone out there who brought this to my attention. Otherwise, I wouldn't have looked into this further. The FACT is that the resume is falsified, and that is what the former employer is suing him for, "falsifying documents." Anyone in any field can be sued for this. Furthermore, no one would go this far and put this much effort into warning people about Justin just because he "rejected" an offer for employment. There are many great Nannies available for hire that I'm sure the employer had access to. I do have a question...has anyone done a Social Security trace or background check on him when he applied for employment? Just wondering...

click here to validate a SS# for free in 2 seconds said...

As for checking out his social security number, there is a source online for free that takes 2 seconds to see who's social security number a SS# was issued to. I think a lot of you who hire Caribbean nannies would be shocked. Shocked at how many "legal" nannies are not legal at all.

Baa Baa Boo Boo said...

http://www.prolikefamily.com/index.htm just thought you'd like to know this dude is now calling himself "Sky"