Received Wednesday, May 7, 2008For what it's worth I snapped this picture of a baby about two years old sitting in a window. I know the camera is crappy as i was across the street but you can see the peril clearly. I rang the bell and let the father have it! And they live AROUND THE CORNER from the DYFS office! I'm assuming that's a screen with the glass up, because I listened for a few minutes and could hear everything the child was saying. I used the 3x zoom on my camera and I know its terrible but you get the idea! I was standing across the street taking it from street level. That's the second floor. The fall is straight down onto concrete GOD FORBID!
This is Taken On the 89th block of First Avenue In North Bergen, NJ. The house is a row of what appears to be single family dwellings. Directly around the corner is NJ DMV, National Guard Recruiting office and I was just informed a bit ago that the DYFS office has relocated. Which will NOT stop me from calling if I ever see this again! If you were driving South on First Avenue which is a one way street Southbound, this house would be to your right.
Anyway, Best Regards!
Manhattan Mamma
181 comments:
I guess that Daddy doesn't remember what happened to Eric Claptons son. Good for you if you see it again snap another photo and call CPS.
oh my gosh makes me feel sad for the little kiddo. Glad you spoke your mind some people need a real kick in the pants
What was your point of posting here? To shame the father? You said you spoke to the father about it, right? That was nice of you. Sometimes people put their kids in dangerous situations because they don't think about potential consequences. Since you know right where they live, why not knock again and tell them about window guards??
I don't understand why you posted this if you spoke to someone. And it is unclear as to what you are referring to in the picture. It looks like a child sitting in a windowsill bench to me. Is there a window open?
anonymous who apparently didn't thoroughly read the post...OP said that the window was open. All there was between the child and the concrete ground a story below was a screen, which can VERY easily be pushed out of place by a child, causing them to fall to the ground.
are you so naive - anon 11:43 - that you believe because the OP spoke to someone the problem is resolved?
A child is in danger and someone is worried the father might be ashamed. Amazing..
I'm curious as to what the father said to the OP. Did he even know that the child was sitting in the window? Is it a chair or a couch that they all sit at? Sometimes people just don't realize danger until it's pointed out, so since you pointed it out to the parents, why did you take the picture and post it?? I'm confused what your point was suppose to be.
Dear Snotty 12:03 poster..the op never stated the window was open..she/he stated " I am assumming that's a screen with the glass up" what ever the hell THAT means!!??
Clearly the parent may have not been thinking and while the op spoke to them..hopefully they wil not put a child in that position again..that said..I have met people like this particular..OP..may truly be sincere about the childs saftey..however..she looks for situations like this so that she can in her own words"let the dad have it"..she posted this just to be cruel and embarass a parent. Since she spoke to him there was no need to continue with anything at all...why expect the worst?? she said nothing of how dad responded..my guess is because dad thanked her and took what she had to say seriously..but people like her just can't let things go!! Lets embarrass him too!What a shame..that behavior in itself is just as dangerous for children to grow up around as is an open window!!!
Several of those homes in that row have "window Seat Benches" many of which are used to place childrens stuffed animals and books on. This house may have such a spot.
From the picture I can see NO open window or overlap where a window has been pushed up/open? How on earth could you hear every word the child spoke from across the street not to mention..what 2 yr old speaks that clearly??
This picture may be true..but sounds like manhattan Mamma added a few details of her own to make it juicy!!
This story teller is just that. She is tto set on identifying the Parent and shaming him after she already spoke to him!!
Why..was he rude when you contacted him? I am guessing if you came to my door and "let me have it"..I would be rude too!
sure wish we could hear dads side of this....what is dyfs?
dyfs: dept. of youth and family services, I believe.
I too agree that the OP had no need to post this other than to bring attention to herself. If she did indeed speak to the father, which was I feel in order since this is a safety risk (I have read more than one story of children falling out of windows, yes, it does happen, we do need to lend a hand to parents who are not aware of this issue) there was really no reason to post not only a picture of the child, but their location so that someone may recognize the family. If the parent was spoken to, this post was not needed at all.
I hope OP feels happy that she may caused more problems for this family than she actually solved...
First of all, I said I heard the child clearly, not that she was speaking clearly. She was speaking two year old gibberish mixed with certain clear words like "oggie" (I was walking my dog. I can only assume the window was open, I didn't want to say for sure because I can't and to make a statement otherwise would be false.
Second, If you look and read my original post of this above in the welcome comments thread, I was not only angered by the scene but the father's attitude when I talked to him. His only response was 'Wife is watching" And he shut the door on me. Since I stood there for several minutes watching the baby play in that window, I saw no one watching. It's possible mother could have been in the next room or the same room on the couch. But you can be 4 feet away and if that baby decides to jump back and goes out that window, glass or none, parents more than an arm's length away won't do that child a bit of good.
Third you had better believe I will be on the look out for this again. I took the picture so I can have proof if I need to report them.
Oh and just in case someone doubts what the father said last night and thinks I added it today I copy pasted the comments from last night below. Mine and the one before and after.
Oh and a side note, no window guards have been installed today yet. They should be up there anyway with a toddler in the home and the window easily accessible to her.
FG said....
Did you send that picture to Jane? Can you go back and check on that window to see if they put up some kind of barrier?
10:05 PM
ManhattanMamma said...
FG this was only a couple of hours ago. The father said "wife is watching" I am sure no barrier will be put up. Other than their Pimped out SUV, family looks like they don't have a pot to piss in and barely a window to throw it out of.
The kicker! They live around the block from the DYFS office. You better believe, if I see that baby like that again tomorrow, I am calling!
I didn't even think to send it to Jane because it's the parents! Unbelievable!
10:36 PM
undercover regular said...
MM
Yes, this is typically a "Report your Nanny" site. And there have been occasions where a negligent Parent or Grandparent was posted. But bottom line, we are all here for the kids.
I say ask Jane to put the pic up. Maybe someone in their family will see it and talk some sense into them!
By the way ... good job.
10:50 PM
Also, I would like to add that regardless of my gruff sounding tone here, I rand his bell and was not rude in any way.
backpedling? You said first that you "let him have it."
now you were "not rude at all."
which is it?
I smell a rat in the state of New Jersey...
the picture just might be what is needed to put pressure to bear on ignorant parents who don't recognize a dangerous situation for what it is.
Don't believe for one moment that you were" not rude"..you said yourself you let him have it!!..Now which is it..did you let him have it or not?? Your full of it!!
Wow Manhattan Mamma!
Vicious.
That was bad judgement on mom and dad's part, but to take a picture, post directions to the house AND "let the father have it?"
It sounds like a mistake. If that. As 12:36 mentioned, a lot of those homes have window bench seats. How could you POSSIBLY conclude that this child wasn't on something like that, or even a chair NEAR the window?
I also agree with what 12:28 said. Sometimes people just don't consider the possible consequences. I am sure you have inadvertently put your children in harm's way before...but not because you're a bad mother. Because everyone makes mistakes.
This seemed innocent enough (unlike the parents leaving their newborn in a running car, in a crowded parking lot while they went to bet for 20 minutes)...
If I was the father, I would have slammed the door on you too. And nevermind if I came across this reporting. I'd probably call the cops and tell them some crazy woman was taking pictures of my child, haha.
And I'm not really sure why you had to bring up the fact that they don't have money...
What does that have to do with anything?
1:12 please give us a break.
MM was encouraged to post this by other regulars here. She said it wasn't in her thoughts to send it in.
Those of us who know MM's brief but colorful history here know she is a gruff speaker, but she also seems like a good person.
I think it was valid of her to post this here, and valid of Jane Doe to approve it. In any case, if she witnesses this again and has to call DYFS, this post will lend credence to the fact that MM witnessed this behavior at least one other time prior and on what date.
1:33 where is the danger? the window clearly is not open..if you see that it is from that picture..pls point it out! When our windows are open you see two bars across the middle.of the picture.. and if it was a window that oipened to the side we would see it bowed out to the right..neither of those things occur in this picture! Manhattan Mamma has shown her true colors..
this family does not have a pot to piss in" and "except for their pimped out SUV"...come-on..She is clearly upset that a foriegn family has moved into her neighborhood.. a family other than she approves of..there was something fishy about this story from the time it flew out of her mouth..she just tried too hard to identify and emarrass them....end of story!! Manhattan mamma..I hope someone is looking out for your kids...you are a dangerous person..manipulative and rotten and your children will learn bad habits from you! Maybe DYFS should visit you!!
fng..how politically correct of you.."lets allow others to take responsability for something we do..since she was encouraged..it was not her choice to do it..it was peer pressure!!" you give us a break!! Jeesh!!! She is a big girl..let her own up to it..she is a bitch who needed to bring attention to herself as well as embarrass the family instead of just looking out for the kid!!
I will explain my actions a final time then I am done.
"Let them have it" Is an expression from the old neighborhood. It doesn't mean anything else other than we confronted someone on a subject. And by confronted I don't mean attacked
I didn't say they didn't have money. The expensive car in their driveway with all the aftermrket add ons clearly indicates they have some sort of disposible income. Too bad they haven't spent some of it on after market add-ons to their home like window guards. I realize, in hindsight, this could be a friends car, or a relative's car, or the tooth fairy's car, and anyone of those people should then buy this family a set of window guards.
The father or step father, or common law father, or whoever he was didn't seem the least bit happy to hear about the child's safety. Then again, I am assuming he is anything to the child at all. He could have been a strange man that just so happened to answer the bell when I rang it and "Wife is watching" could have meant television.
I do not get the idea that a 2 year old, sitting on a window sill bench, could be a safe thing. If the child jumps around, Jumps or falls backwards, they will go through the screen and glass, if there was glass there. Then again I had a friend who let her two year old toddlers play on the wide window sill of her second story bay window. She didn't see the danger in that either. While she did have window guards a child can still fall nd hit the glass, or put a hand or leg through it. I let her have it enough times she got sick of me and stopped letting her kids play there when I was around.
The father, or uncle, or stranger in the home obviously isn't so worried that he ran to the Target, Home Depot, Loews or Walmart, all within a two mile radius of the home, and install window guards today. So I am assuming he either doesn't care or is so pissed at me for confronting him that he is going to spite me and NOT put them in.
I sincerely hope certain aspects of my sarcasm won't be lost in this post.
You guys need to chill. Manhattanmamma WAS encouraged to post this pic by several ppl yesterday.
She thought she was doing the right thing, and I believe she means well. How do we know how protected that window is? It's not a very clear picture.
Get a flippin' grip.
1:43 I have to break my own rule to not comment further.
Yes I am CLEARLY upset about a foreign family moving into my neighborhood. My Spanish Husband would argue that with you, as would my African American Ex-boyfriend, My Jamaican Best friend and my Arabic employer. I might to, but being Italian, with Immigrant grandparents on both sides, I won't bother LOL. And Now I am done!
Jane, if you want you can remove this sighting. I hadn't thought to send it in the first place and I don't want to be the center of another war.
Manhattan Mamma..call a duck a duck..call a lier a lier..you try too hard and are too desperate to make sure you are right..you are a lier when you say you did not attack him!''Letting someone have it is a term we are all familier with and unless you tore into someone verbally..it would not appropriate to use. you are changing your story one too many times!! Shame on you!
ManhattanMamma
Do NOT justify yourself to any of the posters that have nothing better to do than to attack you. I know who one of them badgering you in particular is, and they will stop at nothing to get their point across.
Let it rest, and allow the post to speak for you.
Manhattan Mamma, Fine..I understand your concern, to an extent.
But you were rude and nasty when reporting this (even though your old neighborhood ways say otherwise when confronting the father)...That's the strange thing about it all. Why are you so hostile about this?
If anything, it was a mistake!
Are you so perfect and without flaw that you have never made any poor judgements?
(And kids can't sit on window benches now? Sheesh, you might as well stick them all in a bubble and chain it to the center of their bedroom ceiling.)
WTH.. Who is this manhattan mama..the international spokes model for NJ..your last post lost all credibility as far as I am concerned!!
WTH.. Who is this manhattan mama..the international spokes model for NJ..your last post lost all credibility as far as I am concerned!!
what a joke..now MM has gone too far..all of you defending her should rethink your stance. She is obviously making this crap up!! The picture is a real picture but the post is bogus!
anon..2:03..unless you are Jane..there is NOWAY in Hell you could know who is posting and when...you and Manhattan Mama are made for each other! Silly Girls
12:28, 12:36, 12:39, 1:12, 1:34, 1:43, 1:50 and 2:02
DON'T THINK for one second that Jane can't pull up your computer info -- and I guarantee all those posts will come from the SAME computer.
You better quit, I know who you are -- DON'T make me call you out!!!
What a bunch of idiots some of you are. I spend a good amount of time posting on Gawker and the level of maturity and intelligence there so much excedes. Jane, how do you put up with it?
Manhattan Mama submitted this originally as a comment sharing what she had seen. Other people read her comment and told her to submit it to the blog.
Anyone who lets a child sit by a window with only a screen in it deserves to be shamed shamed shamed.
I need not hear of this child's death on tonight's news.
Thank you for an intelligent post, Dr. Lamont.
I'm so sick of this back and forth stuff, too.
Manhattanmamma
Trust me, I think most of the bashing will stop now that a certain poster knows I have their number, O."K". ?
I stand by my support of MM in this instance where her first and foremost concern is the safety and welfare of a child. I also believe posting the picture was an effort to get the parents to take some much needed action to safeguard this toddler, even if it has to come about by focusing negative attention on them. "Mom's watching" just doesn't do it for me. Here's a thought. Have Jane remove the picture when proper measures have been taken to ensure the child's safety. I'm sure MM will let us know.
MM
I hope your o.k.
Jane
Nevermind. Thanks.
Oh, by the way,
I have something to say to the illiterate anonymous poster at 2:02: If you are going to call someone a name, at least make sure to spell it correctly. Lier? Did you perhaps mean "liar"? It's well known that I never stoop to correct spelling but when someone is as ignorant as you, embarrassing him or herself by not even knowing how to properly spell when name calling, I felt I had to intercede to protect you from further idiocy. Also, if you are the one who has written all the other anonymous posts trying to discredit MM, then it's really "shame on you."
This picture makes my skin crawl.
"And I know there will be no more tears in heaven."
-- Eric Clapton (in the song about his dead toddler)
Oh my.
I just read the comments.
Manhattan Mamma you did exactly the right thing and anyone who can read would see that what you've done is reasonable and prudent. It would not have been unreasonable to call 911 as there was imminent danger.
There are so many malcontents here.
Sprak
Yes. 2:02 is the same basher.
So, don't feel bad.
Let me just say. I try not to make it a habit of getting in the middle of flame wars, but when I see a poster that obviously means well ... and then an "anonymous" (yeah, right) poster that continues over and over to discredit them, then I am going to have my say.
To the "anonymous" basher
I don't know what you got from trying to belittle, berate and bully ManhattanMamma, but she's one of "us" now.
Leave her alone.
I must say I like Mamma AND Sprak's syle.
In a world of almost sickening Political Correctness these two say what they mean and mean what they say. If it comes out wrong, they explain themselves and move on.
It is a credit to them both that they were able to put their differences aside and move forward with no more snipes at each other. BRAVO LADIES!
Also, only Jane can post things to this site and if she deemed this photo and report worthy, it is!
And Jersey, I've no wish to start a fight with you so please don't take this the wrong way. Those of you who think a child of this age playing so close to a window, open or not, is OK is seriously mistaken. If you look at the picture, the toddler's waist is visable and the proximity to the window is pretty clear. Even on a sill, bench or sofa, as pointed out already, if that baby throws herself backwards she will, at the very least, injure herself if she hits the glass. If she hits that glass with enough force, or just the right way, she could possibly go through it. The results could be a complete fall to the ground or getting stuck on the jagged edges. If anyone is allowing their children to play in this manner, I urge you to reconsider and re-evaluate. My family lost a 7 year old cousin many years back. He was jumping on his bed on the second floor. He was jumping faster and faster, play-fighting with his brother when his brother gave him a shove. He hit the old window pane and went through it, but not completely. Although he didn't fall, the glass severed his femural (sp?) artery and he bled to death before the ambulance arrived. His mother never thought boys their age needed supervion in their own rooms and window guards were not the norm then. We thought it all a terrible, freak accident then and, unfortunately accidents do happen now as they did back in the day.
I think it was pretty clear Mamma was upset by what she had seen and the father's reaction. Regardless of how she may have approached him, guards should be up there, today. In any event, knowing what I do of her personality she will let us know! ;)
hee hee
I agree! But you know how I feel about anonymous cowardly troublemakers. Oh, sometimes they'll make up what they feel is a clever name to use for a day such as 'anon the brave' or 'wile coyote' did the other day, but then, they'll go back to their pathetic anonymous postings. Not all anonymous posts are illiterate, stupid or pointless, but many are, and all I can say about this is 'if the shoe fits, wear it.'
Manhattanmamma
Please report back and let us know how you are. We are worried about you. I know this was a lot of crap to take.
You have supporters, don't worry!
oh, my post was meant in response to undercover 3:21, but you post above at 3:37 was extremely informative and certainly should remove any doubt as to the importance of what MM did. Thanks.
not sure who anon 2:19 is trying to impress..you want to call me out..go for it..I'd love to hear what you have to say!! Just because I do not agree does not make me a basher..it makes me someone with a diffrence of opinion...
BTW , your threats reflect what kind of person you are..as you said..Jane decides what to post..though she may not agree ..she posted my few remarks because she is being objective..as far all of the posts you clumped together to blame on me..wrong again..2 were mine ..the rest..were not!!
You need to stop threating as you can do NOTHING to me over this blog and stick to giving your opinion..afterall that is all it is..your opinion!!!
I still say Manhattan Mama has a nasty attitude and holes in her story....freedom baby..thats what allows me thses posts and thoughts!! get it together and stop trying to act like you know who I am!!
As for the ridiculous remark"she is one of us now" yes , I agree..she is one in a huge herd of sheep!!All followers..no leaders..how sad!
Thank you Manhattan Mama,
I am always interested to hear of stories where someone witnessed a child in danger and took action as you did. One never knows how an individual is going to react to being critisized for their caretaking abilities.
I appreciate what you did and I thank you for sharing the photograph. My just turned 6 year old nephew lives in Bay Ridge on the 7th floor of a building and even with very secure window guards in place, his parents do not permit him to stand right against the window. Some of us have heard too many children toppling out of window stories to take any chances.
Thanks Sprak!
I don't really post often although I do enjoy reading the different POV's here. I knew you weren't directing your comments to me but thanks for clearing it up anyway!
Is this for real???
"MM.Pls report back to us" "We are worried about you"??
This blog has turned into a joke!!
What a shame!
Kate, you are a liar!
Oh and 3:49 pm, yes it is nice that Jane allow's all sorts of POV's to be posted and rarely interferes. I think that's what you were trying to say in your own way.
anon 3:53 nice try..
3:49
Jane hasn't "allowed" your posts, and "deemed" them worthy. She just doesn't believe in censoring posts.
But I'll bet if you keep this personal attack on MM, she will put a stop to it because it is outrageous and uncalled for.
oh, that isn't all of it.
But really, does it matter? Because all you can do is never post under that psuedo-name again. Like the last time you started a flame war and I called you out.
I haven't seen you post in that name in a long time ... wonder why??
Embarrassed?
3:49 has over run this blog with nothing but psychotic ranting. Most off the bashing came from her. Don't deny it. You're nothing but a creep! Get a life!
Thank you for your story, Jane.
I love it when you post!
see..that is the scary part..because you disagree with my opinion..you rename them attacks and call for censorship..ever heard of Communism??
We live in the US..that means ..I am allowed to speak my mind weather you like it or not..if Jane chooses to omit them..so be it ....but don't think for one minute that that means you are right ..it simply means censorship is still alive and kicking and that ,my friend, is a pity!
I would hope Jane is more objective than that!!
I have not called names or made threats as you have..I simply disagree and think that MM is a rotten person for not dropping it after she "let dad have it"..though now she says she was NICE!!
"Anonymous said...
Manhattanmamma
Please report back and let us know how you are. We are worried about you. I know this was a lot of crap to take.
You have supporters, don't worry!
3:44 PM
"
HAHAH, what!?!?!
If that's not phony and insincere, I don't know what is. You're not worried about her! Give me a break.
Just another way to broaden the line between the "sides." Supporters? Sheesh.
The ones who claim they hate the BLOG DRAMA the most are the ones who fuel it with their passive aggressive, manipulative behavior.
Oy vey.
3:37, why are you directing that to me? I barely even touched on that. In fact, there were a few other commenters who found less of an problem with the window thing than I did. I don't think sitting your child up on a windowsill is the smartest thing to do. I also don't think berating the father, posting directions to his house AND a picture of the incident on a public website is really necessary. Nor do I think it's correct to assume it WASN'T a window seat. And if that's the case, I won't agree or disagree with it. I wasn't there. Not sure what the details of the situation were, nor am I certain how close mom was to the child. Unless Manhattan Mamma left out all those details out of her report, her reaction seemed a bit on the theatric side.
It begged conflict, whether she realizes it or not.
BTW..what name are you talking about? I have not posted on this site in a long time and I have NEVER started a flame war!! You really must have the wrong person dear!
I don't have a fancy "handle" because I am not on this site enough to make one up!!
wait, why do we have to be nice to idiots who put children in danger?
it's perfectly okay to get pissed off when you see an idiotic nanny, parent or grandmother. it's okay to have emotions, it makes you real.
the problem as i see it is that some people- when taking to task on an aspect of their caregiving- are so opposed to critisim that they will go ass backwards to avoid implimenting the suggestion. as in "chuck her, who does she think she is, damn straight my kid is going to hang by the window without a window guard. it's a free chucking country".
so i'm glad op took a picture. in fact all of my favorite posts involve pictures. more pictures.
and might i suggest that if certain people think that children should be allowed to sit in fornt of screens with no window guards, well they are entitled to their opinion. i just hope they have a smarter husband or boss who makes the important decsions in the house.
Bashing:
2. Chiefly British, Canadian. to hurl harsh verbal abuse at.
–noun
"The use of the term within this context is most common in editorial or personal commentary."
Yep, 3:49 .... You're a basher.
4:11
You haven't been here in a long time, I know. I said as much in my post at 4:02.
And I never said you started one (although you jumped in pretty quick here) - you just like to verbally attack people.
You call them liars, tell them their story isn't true (or fake, or made up) ... and I really want to know what you got out of taking over this post and hurting ManhattanMamma the way you did.
Do I think you're a bad person? No, I don't. I just think you're bored.
Please stop.
If you have an opinion, let's hear it - good or bad.
But if it's any of what you put MM through today ... please go pick on another blog.
My goodness but it's been busy!
Thanks for the concern, I'm fine, was just out enjoying a gorgeous day off.
Jane I am with you. being from NYC and living in it's shadow all my life I 've grown up hearing more than enough horror stories about children and windows. I get angry when I see kids in a window like this one, or kids riding bikes without helmets with their parents watching, or kids in skate parks without the proper safety gear. Because living in urban communities you hear of too many kids getting severly injured or worse because no one can be bothered, not even the parents.
As far as these attacks, well they don't bother me. At least when Sprak and I were going at it, it was a lively debate/clashing/introduction of what I now realize may be two similar personalities. Not some hysterical ignoramous ranting. (The liar comment from Sprak made me Laugh Out Loud) That's exactly the kind of response I'd have given.
I must say, nothing is so misunderstood as the Constitutuon and it's ammendments. While I won't annoy those here with the intelligence to know the freedoms that great document and it's revisions really awards us, the rest like 4:07 should read it, and perhaps find a book that explains it in detail. You might be quite surprised to learn what rights it really grants instead of what you think it allows.
good post, ro
The malcontent posters, mostly anonymous, who do not abide by the policy of "better safe than sorry" may change their thinking one day after a tragedy results from their negligence. Whatever petty comments you may make about MM matter not. You know why? Well, it's because I say she did the right thing and I'm right about this. After all, I am the Sprak.
LMAO! You said it, girl!
Know it
learn it
respect it!
You DID call her names:
a rat, a liar (lier), a dangerous person (!), manipulative, rotten, a BITCH ...
.... or does your memory fail you?
You may call a duck a duck, but I call a spade a spade.
ROWLF!!! LOL
I haven't made any threats ... unless you mean when I said I would call you out.
Nervous?
This post raises a caveat of issues and, more important, whether the different themes relating to accusatory behaviors are true delusions, persecutory ideation, misidentification, nondelusional suspiciousness, or other.
Whatever the case may be, I urge you all to cease the infighting and return to discussions of the subject at hand.
jersey jaqui, i would hardly call these directions to the person's house. you are being a bit melodramatic, aren't you? and why aren't you working? that kitchen sink isn't going to scrub itself.
4:49, if you know the area, those are directions to the house.
And spare me the attempt at your internet misogynistic shock value. It's old. Heard it all before. If you really want to come off as bitter and cynical, first try to master the fine art of sarcasm. Otherwise you look nothing more than foolish and juvenile.
Thanks :-)
anon 4:43 bring it on..you've got nothing..if you did ..you would have done it by now. People like you cannot help themselves!!
and as for the Kitchen sink remark aimed at jersey girl..how lame..
4:43 did you not see Janes request.."Please do not act as if you know who is posting"...because you don't!!
please enlighten us with your moniker anonymous 443..
op-
this area sounds scary. is it in the ghetto. what is north bergen? who lives there? sounds like the sort of place where drug dealers reside and answer the door with sawed off shotfuns and funny white powder in still hanging in their nose hairs. thanks for risking your life for this unknown child.
jersey jaqui-
why are you so protective of new jersey?
Wow. Somebody here is really mean.
I can't tell if it's all one person, but I hate to think there is more than one.
Sorry Manhattan Mama. It happens to everybody at first.
I'm glad to see MM and Sprak have made peace. Shows you both posess the ability and grace to move forward maturely. I had a feeling you'd come to appreciate one another one day. ;)
And to whoever called us all sheep...you're here too..so let me offer you a big welcoming baaa baaaa.
I see anon 4:43 bailed!! Not surprising. and yes, I do think many of you are sheep..following the heard..cannot think for yourselves..
as for MM..you all make her out to be some poor,picked on weekling who cannot protect herself..
"please let us know you are ok"
landsakes..the woman rang a strangers doorbell and "let him have it!"..she can handle her own..so back off over protective mommies..cut the cord already!!
weakling!!
5:00 .... 5:02 .... 5:04 ....
6:26 .... 6:28 ....
*Please do not feed the troll!*
4:09.....you're a Dr.?? Riiiiiight. And I'm the President. Mom.......I agree with everything you've said in this thread...I don't always agree with you. In this case I am only going to say that I for one am sick to death of people who defend ILLEGAL immigrants.....they are here ILLEGALLY so yes, to me and many others THAT should be their only identity. "Doctor"...I understand patients with disease not wanting to be that (disease) identity. Not a good comparison at all. Illegals are just that...illegals. The issue is NOT immigration..........it's ILLEGAL immigration. I can't for the life of me understand why the liberals want to keep allowing people here illegally.
Wow!.....I've been censored! Have others on this site not attacked a poster before.......all I asked was a simple question....I didn't even use profanity! I'm disappointed, Jane. Censoring is in poor taste.....I did not attack.
Wow.....JXJ, where'd you come from??? Are you a man?! Hey 1:23....GOOD for your husband!!! WTG!! I would never tolerate what he had to & the OP has or ignore such comments......especially if children are around. What the heck is this Mom doing bringing a male coworker home for lunch anyhow? I know you watch the daughter, but is he speaking like this in front of her? Again, WOW!
kate in co,
What in the HELL are you talking about? Who in the hell are you talking too? Are you drunk? Otherwise impaired? Or just simple?
Kate in Co 6:58,
Nothing/No one has been censored.
What on earth are you refering to?
Kate in Colorado is out of her mind NUTS. There is no 4:09. Way to fuck up a thread with your idiotic banter.
It is pretty easy to push a screen out of a window and fall. Been there ,I did it myself when I was 11. Has the scar to prove it too. I was lucky it only the 2nd floor and fell into the grass but there also was a lawn mower sitting there that i fell into face first. (I was a dipstick when younger).
I had window guards on all the kids bedroom windows because they were upstairs. I think MM did a good job ,she could back up her claim too with the photo. I for one would not want to pick my child off the ground because I was too lazy to put up window guards or because I was stupid and let my kids play near a window at age 2 or 3 or whatever. Accidents happen and sometimes they can be avoided with a little extra care.
Me thinks that the "trasher" in here just wants a pissing match with someone . Go get her Sprak!!
Where I live in the San Francisco area we are always reading about tots falling out of windows. I hope you raised hell.
anon 726..you are so very wrong!! I am "the pisser" to whom you refer
and let me tell you girlie..I agree and have agreed that the father made a huge mistake and that MM "letting him have it" probably saved the family from an accident. What I do not agree with is taking a photo,pasting it all over the internet,describing to a tee the family's home and location and badgering this parent!!
She saw a bad situation,she confronted the dad..the end.
If he told her to F off..ok..I could see someone of her mind set seeking revenge and doing all of those things..but he did not..he said"wife is watching " then he closed his door..if she truly gave it to him as she claims..he obviously stood there and listened to what she had to say..right??
THE F"ING end!!!
What gets me are easily led groups..yourself included,turning into lynch mobs..it is dangerous and you should all be ashamed for feeding into such a mind set.
She did what she needed to do to help the child..no need for the further brandishing of the story along with how to get to the guys house!!
If she really did this out of concern for the child she would have Put the picture away for future reference if needed..and dropped it..
I live in the Bay Area..have not heard of anyone falling out of windows..will you pls reference ..now I am curious..I thought this only happened rarely..
Eric Clapton ..etc...
I have not heard of any here and so now I find myself very curious.
I do admit I live on a bottom floor though.
Pisser de la loser,
Sorry but this is 2008 and there are sites like this all over the net. You can yell at someone for littering AND TAKE THEIR PICTURE AND POST IT or you can yell at someone for parking in a handicap spot AND TAKE A PICTURE OF THEIR CAR AND POST IT ON THE INTERNET, you can break up with your boyfriend for cheating on you with your anorexic sister AND YOU CAN POST A PICTURE OF HIM ONLINE along with all the shameful details of his dirtbaggery.
Yes, shaming is in.
If you are anti-shaming, I suggest you go visit savetheredsquirrelsonmountlemmon.com
see 802..you have nothing of value to add..you simply want to argue for the sake of arguing and not because you have anything of importance to bring to the conversation...
This is not one of THOSE sites..so perhaps that is where we find our differences..I had no idea those sites existed and will check them out as they sound entertaining.
However, this site is for reporting "bad/good nannies..neither you, nor I, nor MM have done so..
The father was warned and cautioned and how the hell do you or anyone else know that He "did not heed what MM said" you all act like Mother Theresa!!
while 2008 rings in a few entertaining sites...this is still malicious on MM's part and she knows it and so do all of her "followers". I am not one of them and will continue to voice my opinions as long as Jane will post them..so you can try to run me off..but it will never happen!
Scrub- Ummm....what the HELL are you talking about? I didn't say anything about NJ..literally, nothing. Stop trying to pick a fight.
So you are pissed because it was a father who was chastized? The point is he did not heed her warning. When you really care about other people, yes other people's children-which this blog is about, you stick your nose where it doesn't belong. It takes a village, mo fo. It takes a village.
Apparently 802 did have something to add because he/she schooled you on some sites you did not know about.
http://dirtyscoop.blogspot.com
and in this very blog you will find a page for non nannies. yep, non nannies who do bad.
No good deed goes unpunished.
I can't believe all of the hateful verbiage on this thread.
Uh, guys -- "she's baaaack!"
Kids fall through screens yes, but when was the last time you heard of a kid falling through the glass window? Give me a break.
She said it was a screen with the glass up. That means a screen without a window barricade for those of you who don't hit triple digits on the ole iq meter.
to manhattan mama, you are obviously tought enough to ring someone's door bell and give them hell in person. i have confidence that a bunch of bitching and whining yahoos complaining about daddy assholisious being shamed aren't going to bother you one bit.
you have the support of the majority.
Where did Kate in Colorado go?
To cry herself to sleep on her giant pillow?
This is a strange post. The OP actually confronted someone in their own home about their child sitting near their (closed) window? Wow.
I'm not sure if what the OP did was admirable or a little crazy.
Just not sure.
I'll have to consider this one for a bit and get back to ya.
Still confused.
Actually MORE confused than ever now that I've read MM's explanation that she has people of many different ethnicities in her life (ex-boyfriend, husband, friend, employer).
Why is this relevant?
"She is clearly upset that a foriegn family has moved into her neighborhood.."
~ 1:43
Because one of the posts hinted that MM was a racist.
Just a hint: if you're White (Italian translates as White to most of us, so just go with me here)and some moron tries to call you a racist, just ignore them.
Listing all your Black or Arab or Spanish "best friends" as "proof" of your open-mindedness or whatever just makes you look like a closet-racist who has something to hide.
If you're not a bigot, you're not a bigot.
You know in your heart if you are or are not.
Whether you've dated or married or socialized with or worked for someone "non-White" doesn't prove a thing.
Plenty of people with racism in their hearts have been intimate with someone of another ethnicity.
So, Manhattan Mama, please stop trying to defend yourself.
It's just not necessary.
2:53
I couldn't have said it better my self, "Best friend".
Excellent post!
OK, so in reading a few more of the posts I see it is the person who keep wanting to pick on MM who is saying it. She's mad that we disagree with her rude way of stating her obnoxious (and a little bit crazy) opinion, and also that she can't get any of us "sheep" to follow her over into her manure pile.
Here's a thought for her: Did you ever consider the possibility that we're not so much a pack of sheep, but that maybe...just maybe...you're out of line? Maybe...just maybe...the reason most people disagree with you is because we have common sense and you do not. Think about it. It'll come to you.
A kid sitting in an open window is not safe. Even if you are "watching." Kids are quick. How is it going to help the child if somebody happens to be watching when it tumbles out the window? Even if it was a window seat...kids are still quick. WHY take the chance? Some adults are just not very bright about this stuff and innocent kids get hurt because of it. That's not fair. And defending a parent's "right" to endanger his child is just nuts.
Get a grip anonymous troublemaker.
Well drove by this morning and still no window guards.
when I worked as a customer Service Mgr/Dispatcher For Zimick Brothers Cleaning Service, one of our workers, a grown man lost his balance and fell through a plate glass window requiring over 200 stitches. If he wasn't wearing his heavy duty overalls and it hadn't been a ground floor storefront things would have turned out much worse for him.
Some reading material about children and windows.
http://lafd.blogspot.com/2007/07/boy-severely-injured-in-fall-through.html
http://www.childrenshospital.org/az/Site873/mainpageS873P0.html
http://www.jeffmerrick.com/windowfalls.html
Police: Baby Fractures Skull After Fall From Window (May 7)
Baby Falls Out of Window into the Arms of a Postal Worker...Baby ... (April 22)
Baby Falls Two Stories From Window (April 20)
Toddler critical after 3-story fall from window (April 29)
Andover toddler hurt after fall from second floor window (April 23)
A two-year-old is dead Wednesday, after falling out of a window at ... (April 23)
5-month-old hurt after fall from window - Incident appears to be...
Baby Survives Fall Out Of Third Floor Window
Window Guard Gives Way, and Boy, 2, Falls to Death
Baby dies after fall from window
NEW YORK; Baby's 15-Floor Fall Blamed on Father
Toddler plummets from apartment window Baby injured in 20-foot fall
Ottawa baby girl hurt in fall from window
Baby girl falls out of 2nd floor window
16-MONTH-OLD DIES IN FALL FROM SOUTH END WINDOW\ SAFETY GUARD WAS IN...
QNS. BABY PLUNGES TO HIS DEATH
Toddler hurt, falls out of window
Toddler Hurt After Falling Out Window
Police believe tot's fall an accident Window screen was not...
Fall From Window Badly Hurts Boy, 2
Eric Clapton's Son Killed in a 49-Story Fall
Thank you, 9:58.
How did you attach those links?
I know how to put it in the URL, but not in the post like that.
Please tell me how you did that.
Melissa - what adorable baby clothes. You made them all by yourself?
I like the cow print bloomers the best!
8:25..So according to you..after someone has been told/warned/cautioned..they should still continue to be chastized?
If MM had enough time to "let him have it" then he obviously listened to what she had to say.
She herself made it known this family appears to have no $$"except for a pimped out suv"
So,it may take a few days for window gaurds to become a reality.
and let me just tell you...if that baby was still sitting in a window..MS.Crude,righteous Manhattan mama would have posted it by now********* because you know she has walked by that window atleast 25 times in the last day just waiting to catch"this horrible,awful,discusting,unworthy parent in the act again!"
I am glad to be out of line..that is usually where those who can think for themselves are found!
MM was malicious in posting this after talking to the father who obviously listened,replied and went about his business!
And FYI// If it seems normal to you that MM made a special trip this morning to see if this family put window gaurds up yet..you are all as unbalanced as she is..
that is not okay..here where I live it is called stalking and harrassment!
Careful MM some people take seriously to people taking pictures of their kids and looking in thier bedroom windows!!
You need help!!!
If I found you taking pics of my kid and coming around to look in her window..that would be the last childs bedroom you ever fixated on!
The cops would be all over you!
I am very disturbed that MM found her way back to this home this morning.
When does this behavior cross a line.?
You are making a bigger deal out of MM's concern than you should. And you, my darling darling sound like the real nutter.
11:08..so you mean to tell me..if someone knocked on your door last night out of concern for something they saw you doing with your child and you "listened to what they had to say" then got up this morning and found them outside your home..across the street looking in the direction of your home..you would not be a bit concerned ?
ro..while you go around calling names..I am almost sure that ANY parent would fined concern if they were MM target at this point.
If you do not find her behavior disturbing this morning..perhaps you should really think about it..because going back to that home this morning only proves my point about the fact that MM is unbalanced..(my whole argument Yesterday)
a concerned per would have done just what she did up until the posting they would not have run a smear job...
take a pic..talk to parents..that is the best you can do for the time being..
she has has proved my point this morning and I feel for this family that she has targeted.
Next time you find someone focussed on your home..remember that you feel it is okay as long as they are "focussing" on your child!
I bet you would feel quite diffrent if it were you she was fixated on!
I don't think Manhattan Mamma is actually STANDING outside their window. Maybe she drives by on her way to work?
I still stand by my original take on this though...She crossed the line by harassing this family (which is exactly what she's doing now). However, I don't think anyone needs to add insult to injury by accusing her of PEERING INTO CHILDRENS' WINDOWS or being fixated on a child's room.
You're just reaching now by implying she's some sort of peeping-tom pedophile.
Well I'd be concerned. I'd be concerned enough to fix the damm window so my kid wouldn't fall out.
Do you guys not realize our little "friend" is back. You have been entertaining her for almost 24 hrs. now, and it needs to stop.
She is just going to rehash over and over the same thing ... and how awful of a person MM is. And all of you are feeding into it.
MM is her personal vendetta this time around. She has her teeth sunk into her and won't let go until she tastes her blood.
I-G-N-O-R-E !!!
No..I am pointing out a fact that none of you like and that is that she has crossed a line! She did it yesterday and she is going even farther today..that is how people like her work.
I have seen them in action and they are easy to spot.
There is a big difference between concern for a child and harrassment.
And you all have the right to support her..but when someone like her fixates on you. or your child..you will be the first to change your tune!
I am done now..this is going no where..
Do you guys not realize our little "friend" is back. You have been entertaining her for almost 24 hrs. now, and it needs to stop.
She is just going to rehash over and over the same thing ... and how awful of a person MM is. And all of you are feeding into it.
MM is her personal vendetta this time around. She has her teeth sunk into her and won't let go until she tastes her blood.
I-G-N-O-R-E !!!
11:28
You are done? Yeah, right!
You love this little game, and you have no plans on quitting.
You need a psychiatrist.
Welcome MM,
Some of us cross lines when it comes to trying our best to get people to take action for their own children.
Yes, we cross lines.
We don't shrug it off with a "well I said something and he didn't listen".
Why?
We continue to wait and wonder and of course fear.
I crossed a line myself recently. I was visiting my sister in Boston. She had lost her one bedroom garden apartment and was shacked up in south boston with a meth head. She wouldn't respond to phone calls form our family or friends. I forcibly entered the house she was staying at (with two guy friends) and found her tweaking with three other guys and dragged her out kicking and screaming. We were only succesful because one of my male friends 'implied' he was er um connected to the police and he could make real trouble for them all. We drove from Boston to Minnesota where I deposited my 24 year old sister in the charge of my parents.
Yes, sometimes you gotta take down doors.
to the woman who saved her sister..apples & oranges!
m-m-m ... how very sad. is your sis ok? she probably needs a program.
good post, and good point.
11:41
shut the hell up! she's probably anguishing over what their family went through and your response is shameful!!
... besides, at least she had a point. what the hell was YOURS??
are you gonna attack EVERYBODY today?? hmmm? are you that damn bored? well come on, get a piece of me!
you are agood woman to have helped your sister. she is lucky to have you.
MM also did her part..and now I am wondering why everyone assumes that this man did not take her advice and warrants all of this harassment form her?
did the father slam the door in her face or tell her to go to hell? Did I miss that in reading the comments yesterday?
They obviously agreed the child needed to be monitored as dad told her that mom was watching the child.
they were in their own home..they stated they WERE watching their child..
they agreed with her ..why the theatrics?
???there is no DOOR to broken down..where is all of this coming from?
again..this is about a child in a window ..not a drug issue
her story is sad with a happy ending..lets not change the subject.
dear socksucking fitch,
crossing the line is crossing the line.
a special shout out to the nanny who used a video camera in her employer's home to catch his abuse.
way to cross the line!
Metaphorically, dumbass.
that was to 11:51/11:54
line crosser....you are an angry little thing
line crosser you are so angry that you are confusing everyone..who are you talking to? So many little outbursts here and there
line crosser rules. line crosser GETS it.
11:59
EVERBODY is addressing YOU, ya dink.
Don't you GET it???
linecrosser loves people who take action. well, excepting al sharpton.
As if to underscore the inappropriateness of Rev. Sharpton's tactics comes the news from Lebanon that yesterday Hezbollah, the terrorist group, "blocked routes to Beirut's main commercial district." The Rev. Sharpton is no Sheik Nasrallah, but they seem to have been schooled in the same to-heck-with-the-commuter method of public relations.
After reading these comments I am shocked
you have all lost focus
especially the woman claiming to know who everyone is that is just ridiculous and a waste of time
who carres if you know who someone is anyhow
the focus is a child in a window
none of us know if the window was open
we can only assume what this situation was
line crossing to ring the bell and confront parents most likley not
good job MM
line crossing to go back and check things out again most likely yes
line crossing to attack absolutley everyone for having a difference of opinion yes
that applies to all of you
the sheep and and those in the sheep manuer
This ridiculoys controversy was started by someone who just couldn't let it go. So upset that MM didn't drop the ball.
One time, I saw a mother put her 1 year old in the backseat of her car and buckle her in a seatbelt. No carseat. She got in and started to back out. I knocked on the window and told her she needed to have a carseat for the child. She told me to "mind your own business bitch" And she backed out very quickly, causing me to jump back. She drove towards the Target (one was lane) and went to turn down the next aisle to leave. I ran over and stood in the middle of the row of cars. I approached her car. She yelled, "bitch, get the hell out of my face before I run you down". I said, "give me one minute". I tried to offer to take her back inside Target and buy her a carseat for her child. She drove off after screaming something like "Get a life bitch".
Was I harassing her? Maybe. So what. I don't care what she said to me, I was concerned about a child who has no one else to speak up for her but a responsible adult, which the driver was not. And it sounds like MM ran into the same sort of situation.
to all of those name calling.
you are no better than anyone else that stoops to such levels.
dink,socksucking fitch,dumbass,troublemaker,idiots,
creep etc..
you are all showing signs of ignorance when calling names just because some person dis-agrees with what you feel to be the truth.
This is sad
12:22
I have a 2 yr old. She rides in the front seat of the car in her car seat. What do you think about that?
I find it hard to believe that anyone is that ignorant and even harder to believe that someone would boast that on a blog. You sound like a troublemaker, perhaps the troublemaker. Sink your teeth in to my dear, you can't touch me.
you should have minded your own business after the first try.
If you were truly concerned you would have called the cops and reported the license plate #.
Not caused a scene which ,no doubt the child witnessed..and angering a mommy who was already clearly not thinking straight.Pisssing her off just put the child in more danger.
andrea, I am not the trouble maker..I am making a point. It seems to many posting here, that everything is either blk or white ..no grey
After your harsh remark, I see you are the same. Inviting me to attack you after I simply asked your opinion about something,
My daughter has horrible seizures..she has almost died on several occassions and after 2 that happened in the car and not being able to get to her in time,
my husband & I decided that she is in fact safer in the front seat where she is reachable.Our family doctor agrees and I am more than willing to spend a few days in jail if it means keeping my child safe and within reach. Our airbags are turned off.I constantly have concerned parents "knock on my window" to let me know that what I am doing is ilegal. I tell them I understand and thank them. Some stop there. Some do not. Some are line crossers and Manhattan Mamas who seem to think that they know what is better for my child than I do. They are wrong. I have had several call the police. I never explain myself as..I should not have to explain myself to strangers.I have also never been ticketed.
So,your nasty remark was unwarranted..I was simply trying to show that unless you know the specifics..things may not always be what they seem!
unles it is a poster name calling or inviting fights..that is exactly what it seems.
1222 MM did not run into the same situation. What are you talking about. She said the father listened and replied"my wife is watching". Her story is nothing like yours. There was no profanity on the dads part or even anger from what we have been told!Your are really reacing here.
12:40,
As in your multiple previous posts attacking anyone and everyone you perceive who went to far, you are incorrect. The store was located on a very busy road and I was concerned about the immediate danger the child could be in. I do not regret my decision, nor will an anonymous person trolling on a blog cause me to doubt the actions I took in the interest of a child.
I do wonder, what happened to you to make you so bitter? Were you in need of help as a child and no one stepped in to help you? Were you left to suffer? If that is a case, I am sorry for you and the wounds of your past.
If that is not the case and you are simply bored or oppositional defiant, I urge you to take your misplaced rage elsewhere. You obviously have little in common with the people who populate a blog that is directly connected to helping children.
You do realize if it were EASY to help other people's children,more people would do it. Unfortunately any time you try to help someone else's child and the parent has a different approach than you, you walk a thin line made of eggshells. I have heard this from doctors. I have had parents get angry at what their children's therapists advised them who yanked their children away from. therapists.
The last thing we need to pretend is that trying to help someone else's children is easy. So, be guided by your conscience and do the right thing. Sometimes, when you stick your neck out, you're going to be wrong. No one is perfect.
Someone is intent on carrying this whole thing a bit too far.
To give Andrea the benefit of the doubt 12:32, you didn't give us the specifics. You just posted this bold, confrontational comment about how your 2 year old rides in the front seat. Don't complain that someone isn't acknowledging the details when you didn't even give them in the first place.
Speaking of front seats, when I was a kid my dad only owned 2 seaters (back then car seats weren't a huge deal like they are now though). He used to strap me and a friend into the passenger side bucket street, no questions asked (I'm talking at like 7 years old though, not toddler age). No one had a problem with it.
I'm not defending people who don't use car seats. It's dangerous. Just pointing out how times have changed (and I'm not even that old-26).
He also used to pile my friends and me into our RV, drive to our Marina and take us all out on the boat, usually with only 1 other parent present. We were pretty young too. Kindergarten age.
I doubt that would fly today!
andrea, you obviously have your mind made up and the road is closed at this time.
My post was simply to help you to see that things may indeed not always be what they seem.Someone pointed that out to me a long time ago and I,unlike you, got it when they did.I am greatful that I was able to learn from someone else's story.
(why..jxj.).I did not give the facts) I just wanted to show andrea that sometimes we do react before we really know the actual situation. I am well aware I left the details out.
There are no victims here.
I also think you have confused me with another poster. (maybe)
I am sorry my story did not get the point across to you.
I enjoy this site and will continue to post every now and then. BFN
Just for clarification, 1:15 is wayyy too polite to be the basher.
Please don't accept that monkey on your back, 1:15, you don't want it.
But thank you for your posts.
You too, Andrea.
Not fair. Not fair. Not fair.
Manhattanmamma gets attacked and a certain someone gets away with it.
MM did nothing wrong, and was well-intentioned.
On another post, someone gives their opinion about some words the OP used that could be construed as offensive, and they get in trouble.
I don't get it.
144..ok first of all..no one gets in trouble..we are all adults and secondly..life is not fair..proof of that is in these blogs.
just in case anyone is interested. The lady claiming to know who is posting at all times can be found on several different posts..she is the real shit stirrer. She accusses and rides certain bloggers asses..making for an interesting split of supporters..similar to a Jerry springer show!
Look and you will find her.."calling people out" and "threatening certain bloggers"
She can be found quite easily..just look for the posts with the most comments..she is there!
Whoaaaa... in trouble?
I was surmising the collective negative energy that had been gathering on this, that and the other post.
I posted in support of MM here and I posted the links to the stories I could find of children falling out of windows because I do thing it is a serious thing. If MM is guilty of anything, it is probably having too big of a heart and caring too much.
I just don't quite understand what it is you expect me to do, anonymous 1:44. I made my view known on each post you referenced, in these cases supporting the respective authors. This isn't always possible as reflected in the post by the nanny who came here to brag about her dereliction of duties. Or is that to which you refer?
Check IPs out of Colorado.
2:58
way to throw the dust off of you. you are the one that caused so much trouble on this post. and don't worry, no one will steal your thunder. you started it out chasing after manhattanmama relentlessly, and wouldn't give it a rest.
yeah, I'd say this one was yours.
and "threatening" is alittle harsh of a word. just because someone says they think they know who you are? that's calling them out, yes. threatening them, no way.
you need to choose your words more carefully. you upset a lot of people by your comment to manhattaamama about peaking through kids windows, being dangerous, and someone should call the police on her. that's serious. why are you so mean???
Too many thin skinned babies on this post. Manhattan Mama seems fine. She isn't crying and whining, so why are you?
Because you have nothing better to do than feign outrage?
Oy vey.
MM,
Today As I walked to work, lunch and back, I could not stop myself from looking at all the residences. I was focused on windwows without bars and looking for little children's faces and yes I had my Iphone ready.
Suck on that naysayers.
MM has started a movement.
t.r.
did you not see 10 different people getting putzed on by this poster that took one big crap all over this thread? no one is feigning anger. she just needs to step up to the plate and admit she went overboard this time.
that's all.
There's a really sick person on this thread that simply will not let it go. She has her opinion which seems to boil down to thinking that since the dad said the child's mother was "watching", all is well and there's no need to follow up on the child's welfare. That's BS and Hogwash. Even IF someone was watching then, what about the rest of the day, especially in this season when people do tend to open windows to get some air? Is it possible to keep "watching" a toddler 24/7?
MM's not peering in a child's bedroom window as the maniacal crazy poster suggested, and truth be told, if a cop came by while she was walking by that house and MM told him of her concern, do you seriously think he'd be all over MM? Or might he get the CPS involved? I think we may need to call an Exorcist to rid the blog of this (spelling challenged) Demon.
omg sprak! finally, the voice of reason! you say it like no on else can. Thank you!
eeek!
no on = no one
sorry! don't wanna get jumped on!
I don't have kids. What are window guards? Can they be removed? I hate seeing houses that have bars all over the windows. I fear that the children in those houses will someday be trapped in a fire and have no way out. I know this is off base from seeing a child in a window but I was just curious what these window guards are.
Window Guards: They Save Lives. They're the Law.
Every year, many children fall out of windows in New York City. Some die. Others are badly hurt. Even falling from a first-floor window can kill a child! It can happen fast, to any child, even yours. Window guards can keep children from falling out of windows.
Screens are only for keeping bugs out. They will not protect your children. Only window guards will keep kids safely inside. All window guards must be the strong metal kind approved by the Health Department. And every window guard must be installed right and put in tight with screws. It's the law! Make sure that your window guards are put in right, and put in tight.
thank you443..now can someone tell me what window gaurds are?
Are they metal bars that cover the entire window?
What do you do in case of a fire?
Do they have a special saftey release?
I do not live in NY and have never heard of or seen them?
Dude,
she gave you a picture and everything. are you THAT dense?
I quite agree Manhattan Mama is a strong woman who can handle her own.
Nobody who bangs on another persons door and lays into them about their kid needs any of you wishy washy women to come to her aid!
What a bunch of phonies you just wanted to keep the fire going.
You can get out in case of a fire unless you are super fat or something in which case, I doubt you have the dexterity necessary to aid in your own rescue and you could invariably injure a well meaning firefighter or destroy their ladder...
wait, what?
fyi, Yesterday for the first time, I called out a spelling error that the crazed poster made when name calling. I actually saw many more from that poster and said nothing, but really, folks, if you are going to call someone a name.... spell it right! Aside from than that reasoning, I don't much care about spelling because between my typos and my fading spelling skills, I have no business jumping on anyone else. (Unless of course, they author what I feel is a stupid post. Can't help myself.)
Lots of posters on this thread are exactly on the mark about what is right here and what they've said has been dismissed or ignored or ridiculed by the Demon poster. That's what Demons do, I guess.
519..go to hell..obviously here where I live..we don't use window gaurds to protect our kids from falling out of a window..so I was curious what a window gaurd was..she explained that they are metal and need to be screwed in tight..I am curious, if they cover an entire window..what happens if you have a fire!!
Just a question
you must be the bitch everybody is pissed off at! Lay off!!
Did you click on the link? Your lack of knowledge on the subject of all things New York is a wee bit disenchanting. You bore me.
ya know..you are not a very nice person 519 &524.!!
524 you are the same person who goes around posting "boring" on all the new posts and "boring" when someone dis-agrees with you. shame on you for trying to ruffle feathers.
If this site bores you so..why not find a diiferent site..www.trailertrash.com for instance!
leave us alone!
Ahhh I'm the one who posted boring. I'm a regular who just grew tired of the shitstorm.
It probably won't happen again.
And I think the person causing the trouble is the nanny who ranted and said "i'm this way because of you".
I can't be sure, but I do belong to mensa.
FYI I don't stand under their window or make special trips. I DRIVE past twice a day to and from work as the streets are narrow, one way, alternating.
Also, as I walk my dog in the grassy lot ACROSS the street from this row of homes, like the many other people who have dogs in the area, I will be there twice a day, once in the morning and once in the evening. That' what I was doing when I saw this, walking my dog. Nothing would please me more than to never see that baby in that window again.
I think this quote came from the resident crazy that has apparently been sitting here for the entire day (and most of last night)trying to start fights:
"And FYI// If it seems normal to you that MM made a special trip this morning to see if this family put window gaurds up yet..you are all as unbalanced as she is..
that is not okay..here where I live it is called stalking and harrassment!"
So where do you live? Because that is no crime whatsoever anywhere in the United States...and I would be willing to guess that that is the case for the entire rest of the world as well.
She just wanted to follow up. That's a good thing because, as she suspected would happen (probably from his demeanor since she is the only one of us who had any actual contact with the father)he blew her off. Now she knows that she needs to make a call to CPS.
Andrea (I think that was you)...good job about the car seat..and how nice of you to be willing to buy a carseat for that negligent mama.
To the person with the child who has seizures. First, I'm very sorry to hear that your daughter suffers with that. I know how painful it is to have anything wrong with your child,let alone something so serious. Second, you were a little unfair to Andrea in not giving her all the facts in order to "set her up." Sure, things may not always be what they appear...but in a case where a child is MOST LIKELY (which you must agree is PROBABLY the case when one sees a two year old in the front seat)in danger as a result of negligent care...the best choice is to take the chance and speak up immediately. I know it can be annoying when you personally are constantly questioned (my daughter had a scar on her face as an infant as a result of facial surgery and I was asked multiple times each day, with accusatory looks and tone of voice, if she had been burned...which made me feel like crap...so I know how you feel)but try to remember that those people who stop you are only looking out for the welfare of your daughter...for which you ought to be at least somewhat thankful, even though I know it is a pain to deal with constantly. I understand WHY you don't feel you owe them an explanation, but you have to understand WHY they think the worst in the absence of one. Thank goodness that there are still at least A FEW people left in the world who are willing to go out of their way and risk a little heat for the welfare of a child, when it seems most just turn away anymore. That's the more sad thing to me. Maybe one of these busybodies will be the one to fight some big strange man (or a coyote)one day if he tries to drag poyur child off the street...while all of the "polite" people turn their backs and "mind their own business."
And Sprak...now I am really beginning to suspect that there is something to this Spelling Correction/"Big O" connection and that ONLY YOU know the secret. Do tell!
There are people out there that will punch you in the face for knocking on the door and telling you how to raise your child,people who will run you over for blocking their car,then what happens? You are hurt or dead and your child is witout a parent. You call the police and let them do their jobs. I once saw a woman in the grocery store slap her child half way into next week,the store manager said something to her and she slapped him into next week,not half way. He called the cops poof, she was in jail and the child was taken by the cops. I know that we all want to protect kids from abusive neglegent parents and nannies but you have to know just how far you can go and these people are perfect strangers! If you are that much afraid for the childs safety call the cops,give them the plate number and color of car and which direction this person is traveling in, or what apartment they live in. They will investigate,you will be safe and the child will be safe. Also the police respond much faster that Child protection servcices do they often take a week before they can investigate allegations like these.
2:58, 5:14 and 5:23
O.k., I understand 5:19/5:24 pissed you off. You asked a question and they were rude.
Is that why you've dumped all over this thread? Have other posters been rude to you in the past and the
only way you know to get back at them is to Hijack a thread, and mock every person that comes on?
If that's it, at least there would be a reason for your cruelty.
Stop passing the buck and blaming every person that comes on here with a little attitude as the "demon basher".
There is only one, my friend -- and that honor goes to you.
9:55, you give some very sound advice and it's not like friends haven't told me that before.
Unfotuntely, having family in law enforcement, I know that the police cannot or will not always help when they are needed and sometimes, the system fails. Of all the breakdaowns in our great system, I believe child protection is the weakest link. This is largely due tot he fact that case workers are overwhelmed with work and cannot possibly service all the children they are assigned to properly.
I'm also a person who tends to get involved and leap before I look. This isn't the smartest way to live but it's me. If I see a car on the side of the road with the hood up, I'm likely to stop and offer help if I don't see them on a cell phone already. I have adjusted my ways slightly, I will pull up and crack my window and ask rather than getting out like I used to, but my friends tell me I'm crazy to even pull over, again, that's just me. I ratrely give homelss people money when they ask, but I tend to offer to buy them a meal and sometimes get them a motel room nearby so they can shower and sleep in a comfortable bed for at least a night. If I see a child in danger, I try to educate the parents, parent to parent.
This is just how I was raised and it's who I am. I'm a great believer in what comes around goes around, pay it forward, karma or whatever you care to call it. I can honestly say whenever I've been in trouble, like a flat at the side of the road or out of gas in a cell phone dead area, someone has always happened by and helped. "Instant Karma's gonna get you," so Lennon said. I prefer it be GOOD karma.
Fantastic post, Manhattanmamma!
I believe in paying-it-forward also.
Just a week ago a friend needed some help. They had an emergency come up and needed money. I asked what for and they told me. But I'm like you, I didn't hand the money over but went directly to the source my friend needed it to go to. She was so grateful and said she would pay me back as soon as she could. I knew they probably wouldn't be able to for a long while, so I said not to worry about it and just asked her to pay-it-forward. Her eyes teared up, and she promised that she would.
I've been in situations before where I felt like I was drowning and there always seemed to be someone there to rescue me.
I always remember that and try to help whenever I can.
wow. this is the oddest isyn comment thread i've ever seen. i think i must not know the history, because i have no idea what half of you are talking about.
i think what MM did was the right thing. the child could have fallen out of the window and died. i hope she continues to follow up and calls someone if needed. i don't see what the bif controversy is.
Ahhh, some of you ladies have such a calming effect sometimes, lol.
It's hard to see so much hate littering a post.
Thanks, Lindalou. I think my headache is gone now!
How did you "hear every word" the kid said if you had to use the 3x soom on the camera and the pic is still unclear. Did you use the 5x zoom on your Go Go Gadget Ears?
Ah, BINGO! The old "she just proved my point for me" and "you all are just a bunch of sheep".
Peace!
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