tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post7574659051968270529..comments2024-03-19T03:27:24.068-04:00Comments on I SAW YOUR NANNY: Is Employer Losing Out on the Nanny Lottery?Leigh Raymerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18210572527823459842noreply@blogger.comBlogger84125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-19816700220486426272010-07-04T04:07:27.482-04:002010-07-04T04:07:27.482-04:00I can understand why a parent would want to use a ...I can understand why a parent would want to use a nanny cam, but as a nanny, I would be very uncomfortable with it. I certainly never have and never would abuse a child or do anything to upset the trust that parents place in me. I do, however, sing badly at the top of my lungs with kids, have "silly dance" parties, play 'dog' or 'cat' or 'elephant', make up stupid songs for cleaning up and washing hands, etc... if I found out that someone had been watching me on a nanny cam I would quit for sheer embarrassment.BaltimoreNannynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-34763865117051454382010-06-03T22:11:26.751-04:002010-06-03T22:11:26.751-04:00I think she may have been innocently taking photos...I think she may have been innocently taking photos of a home that she considers to be beautiful :)Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00819528031090262507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-18340941876661699032010-06-02T15:58:12.066-04:002010-06-02T15:58:12.066-04:00Ok, OP. I won't begrudge you the use of a nann...Ok, OP. I won't begrudge you the use of a nanny cam. I personally like it a lot better if I know it's there as a nanny, but I tend to assume it's there for the first few weeks of employment anyways. My other nanny friends do the same. <br /><br />Just to reiterate a bit about the photo taking. I'm in my early twenties and have no intention of having kids any time soon, but I have taken pictures of at least two employers nurseries. I've done so because I've liked design or a creative piece. I would never publish them publicly, like online, which is what I would think would bother you more. Mostly I have shown them to my mother, or my pregnant cousin. On one case I've taken pictures of someone's home just because it was so beautifully decorated. <br /><br />It might be a little odd to you, but I don't think there was anything wrong with her taking pictures. I doubt any harm was intended. Maybe you could ask some time about her taking pictures of the baby? That way you could broach the subject without admitting to the nanny cams.NervousNannynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-71146666649240070802010-06-02T03:03:34.841-04:002010-06-02T03:03:34.841-04:00Nanny Lisa:
Thank you. :)
really?:
Sure, you win....Nanny Lisa:<br />Thank you. :)<br /><br />really?:<br />Sure, you win. What I wonder, but that's immaterial. Want a ribbon, or do you prefer a trophy?<br /><br />really?:<br />I'm a mother, but of course you didn't read my post. <br /><br />i agree with really?:<br />How many names do you need? As for moderating output, what exactly? I offer observations, you offer attacks. I am reading your posts, in their entirety, before responding. You skim, poorly, mine and miss the point of each. <br /><br />That said, my questions are rhetorical, I've tired of this fight with you and I've said my piece on this thread. So you know what, have the floor.<br /><br />Tell us more about your Masters in Psychology perhaps? I'm giving you no more attention here. Best wishes, hugs and kisses too, whether you want them or not.<br /><br />Buh-bye.Junenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-15120134128189671912010-06-01T16:12:56.479-04:002010-06-01T16:12:56.479-04:00At this point, I'm pretty sure June has a ment...At this point, I'm pretty sure June has a mental illness. I don't think she even possesses the ability to moderate her verbal or written output. <br /><br />June, Good Luck and I hope you get the help you need soon!i agree with really?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-20769800979860597392010-06-01T13:32:31.162-04:002010-06-01T13:32:31.162-04:00Oh and June, I guess you missed it the first time ...Oh and June, I guess you missed it the first time since ypu're asking me to repeat my opinion on nanny cams, so I'm reposting it for you. Let me know if there's sopme part of it you still don't understand, k?<br /><br />My opinion on nanny cams is that they are a great idea and people like you, who may seem fairly normal at a job interview, don't like them because you get caught at shit you shouldn't be doing.<br /><br />Oh, and take your "best wishes" and shove them. I'm not getting married so I don't need any wishes from you. <br /><br />And have a nice day.really?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-76708028657804726352010-06-01T13:16:27.296-04:002010-06-01T13:16:27.296-04:00HeeHee! I win!HeeHee! I win!really??noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-5252937065389187052010-06-01T04:56:52.979-04:002010-06-01T04:56:52.979-04:00June...hugs right back from Nanny Lisa. :)June...hugs right back from Nanny Lisa. :)Nanny Lisanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-73873992089563413642010-06-01T02:49:40.197-04:002010-06-01T02:49:40.197-04:00really?:
When will you learn that it doesn't ...really?:<br /><br />When will you learn that it doesn't work? We're not fools here at ISYN, we all know this last word nonsense is no more than an attempt to silence me because you don't like what I have to say, not because of anything I need and you're very transparent about it now.<br /><br />Look, you simply cannot say that (1) my opinion isn't important, (2) imply that anything I say just isn't worth reading, and (3) claim that I am a bad nanny, and then suggest that my saying anything in response, that is any attempt to defend myself would be out of some need to have the last word. <br /><br />ISYN knows that my response is done because my opinion is important, like yours and everyone else, and what I say is worth a fair hearing, like what you say and what everyone else says. In addition, I am not a nanny. I am a mother and an employer. If I may toot my horn for a second, a darn good one too.<br /><br />I've never used a nanny cam. When my children were younger, I always had family available until my mom passed. My littlest was four and the eldest seven by the time I first had a nanny. I'm iffy on the subject. It does seem to me a violation of the trust, on the other hand I could have seen my using one if I hadn't had my mom. <br /><br />Still, I would have said something to the nanny, I know me and I know would have said something. I would have put at least the possibility into the agreement. I think OP is in the wrong for having not and I do believe OP has shown herself to be dishonest. OP doesn't care what we think of the photos her nanny is snapping, do you really think any answer we give will be satisfactory to her?<br /><br />She just wants her anger to be "right" should her wonderful nanny voice the slightest bit of concern after the revelation that OP has filmed her and thus OP is bound to respond very negatively to anything that would suggest a negative response from her nanny. She is testing her anger, nothing more. <br /><br />Look, I don't know why you're going out of your way to keep the nonsense going. It is you and not I that keeps it alive. I simply maintain the right to respond to attacks upon my person and that is not an unreasonable right to reserve. If you had wanted it dropped, you could have chosen to respond about the cameras alone. I wouldn't have raised the dead. <br /><br />So here is your chance again. Respond, on topic about cameras, without the attacks. We can have a discussion on your thoughts. It seems you're for no holds bared use of them, is this a correct interpretation of your meaning? Please tell me if it is or isn't. Best wishes.Junenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-53672876580656293652010-05-31T20:30:57.923-04:002010-05-31T20:30:57.923-04:00June, you're right. You don't need the las...June, you're right. You don't need the last word. You need the last 8,000 words. And, since your opinion is really NOT that important, I'm skipping over most of whatever you're spewing about. I can see from the length and frequency of your posts that you have no intentions of letting anyone get the last word if it contradicts you.<br /><br />I'm taking bets now...Can June just shut it and let this drop, or will she feel the need to reply yet AGAIN, just to prove that her opinion is no more important than anyone else's? June, no accusations on you here. You can congratulate yourself on being "right" all you want, but if yoy reply again, I and whoever is with me wins the bet. Oh, and just so that I'm complying with your orders, my oipinion on nanny cams is that they are a great idea and people like you, who may seem fairly normal at a job interview, don't like them because you get caught at shoit you shouldn't be doing.<br /><br />OK, don't answer. <br /><br />...3...2...1really?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-49009193442728361322010-05-31T17:55:15.622-04:002010-05-31T17:55:15.622-04:00case citation:
Yes of course, how foolish of me! ...case citation:<br /><br />Yes of course, how foolish of me! That wasn't you. It could never be you. No one ever uses a second or third name to backup a bad comment of theirs. It just isn't done. That you're so quick to respond, is just coincidence. <br /><br />And again, your circular logic that if I respond, you're automatically right. As I said above my friend, that just isn't the case. This concept of having the last word is yours, you brought it in. It is important only to you. I do not hold you to any promise of being quiet. That'd be pretty darn silly of me.<br /><br />You never discussed the specifics of anything related to the topic with me. You attacked TC and when I defended TC, instead of being a humble human being and saying, "oh, that isn't what I meant", you attacked me. You accused me of judging you inept. I did not do that.<br /><br />When I said I felt what you said was an attack, you brought in the concept of a battlefield or contest. Not I. You tried to argue that I was wrong for feeling attacked and you were wrong to argue that. People can feel attacked without necessarily thinking about battle. You're rather careless with your attacks. Indeed, except maybe and just maybe the first, can you show me one post you've made that hasn't included one?<br /><br />I'm sorry, but there is nothing to be won here. The only thing going nowhere here is trying to win anything. Now again, please, if you choose to respond, stay on topic. <br /><br />What are your thoughts on nanny cameras - do you believe they should be alright regardless, do you believe they're a violation of the trust regardless, or do you see some happy middle ground or compromise? I would love to know.<br /><br />Best wishes.Junenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-77097543334974403342010-05-31T17:07:33.331-04:002010-05-31T17:07:33.331-04:00okay, i admit to breaking my word by posting here,...okay, i admit to breaking my word by posting here, but feel it's warranted to prevent someone else getting blamed for being me.<br /><br />june: i haven't replied to you again until now. i said you could have the last word you obviously need (and i'm sure will reply to this AGAIN to have). i did not say anything else until you said antoher person was me. i will stick to my plan to not get into discussions about specifics with you again. it's clear that goes no where.case citationnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-31464023311251789642010-05-31T15:52:54.763-04:002010-05-31T15:52:54.763-04:00reallly:
Those are the words of a troll. How is th...reallly:<br />Those are the words of a troll. How is that a relevant response to what I said above? If I had to bet, I would bet that you're either OP, pissed that she's been exposed for what she is, and not sure how to respond, or "case citation", who is annoyed with me for having dared to defend TC. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they were one and the same, I don't think they are. My opinion is no more important than any other, but some could think through their arguments a little further.<br /><br />Nanny Lisa:<br />Thank you. *hugs*<br /><br />i agree with reallly:<br />I’m super annoying? Well, I appreciate the info. Hello "case citation", you think we can't see through it - how many have launched into an attack into the first few sentences? You are the person who first said they didn't want the last word. In response how does one such as I not interested in the last word but rather content respond except to say so? Oh but here's the catch, because that satisfies my having had the last word, so I must have wanted it, yes? <br /><br />Then there is this post. Where you “expect to be reamed”. Now if I dare to defend myself, you must be right, yes? It's this circular logic that limits you my friend. You set it up that if I say anything, you must be right. I'm sorry to say and I say it with all the respect I can, that is pure nonsense. <br /><br />Let's recall what I said. I said: "As for having the last word, I don't care for it. You can go on for all time for all I care. Just be polite about it. Be willing to say you screwed up, because for the record you did screw up. And no one won, it wasn't a contest." <br /><br />Oh wow, that’s like something Hitler, Mao or Stalin would say, isn’t it? I guess I really am the tyrannical self proclaimed dictator you portray me as. Torturing and executions must be just around the corner. I think to start I'll strap people to a chair and force them to watch Barney videos for twelve hours straight. The nannies and parents will have an immunity to it, but trolls will suffer and I’ll find a way around the immunity. This post was 440 words, that’s like a mini-novel by your reckoning, I wonder if I could get it published? <br /><br />Please, if you choose to respond, let’s talk about things like OP’s intentions, arguments for an against nanny cameras, or anything on topic. This isn’t. Best wishes to thee.Junenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-9562912748923215552010-05-31T14:45:25.591-04:002010-05-31T14:45:25.591-04:00ITA Reallly. June is our latest super annoying add...ITA Reallly. June is our latest super annoying addition to ISYN. We should give out awards! If you follow her replies through the whole thread (which, trust me, takes a lot of patience to read her long monologues), you'll see her ego in full flare! I also find it funny that she replied to someone above that she doesn't need the last word, but was actually replying to get the last word! Now I totally expect you and I will be reamed by Her Highness for daring to contradict her. Let's get out the popcorn and let the show begin!i agree with reallly!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-595466683398794302010-05-31T09:23:39.654-04:002010-05-31T09:23:39.654-04:00Well spoken June!!!Well spoken June!!!Nanny Lisanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-78935102749909834462010-05-31T05:35:47.628-04:002010-05-31T05:35:47.628-04:00Wow June. You sure seem to think your opinion is s...Wow June. You sure seem to think your opinion is super important. Why is that?reallly?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-60800368795883474172010-05-31T03:35:19.682-04:002010-05-31T03:35:19.682-04:00OP:
You said "I do not intend to continue to...OP:<br /><br />You said "I do not intend to continue to use the camera" and later "I will probably continue to film". At best, you're inconsistent and unstable, at worse, you're a flat out liar. None of that makes for great employer material. <br /><br />OP, you did ask for our opinion of the camera. Here's you, "If I bring it up, I have to tell her about the camera." Did you really think that wasn't soliciting our thoughts on the camera use? You were trying to find out how your nanny would react to the nanny camera by test detonating the revelation on us. <br /><br />Now obviously you wanted us to react positively, you made for a feel good move that would skew the data in the way you wanted it to turn out. That is, you gave yourself an excuse from the get go, "being a nervous first time mom". <br /><br />Point is, you did and do care what we think about the camera. You do not care in the slightest what we think about the photos your nanny took, because no answer any of us gives on that subject will prove satisfactory. It's obvious you intend to ask your nanny and to do so you're going to have to reveal the camera, so any negative reaction to the camera here is instant blasphemy. <br /><br />As for your story about your friend, and your so called bottom line, I know exactly what you're doing. You're testing the unjust anger you're going to have towards your wonderful nanny should she voice even the slightest concern. <br /><br />You should have told her from the get-go that you might use a camera and whatever arguments exist for or against recording are irrelevant. You are in the wrong. Have a nice day.Junenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-22591976291697366692010-05-31T00:35:38.231-04:002010-05-31T00:35:38.231-04:00OP again, I am a mother myself and understand your...OP again, I am a mother myself and understand your need to protect your son w/the utmost care that you can. No one is disagreeing w/your mothering. That is not my issue w/your situation at all. My issue is that I believe you are jeopardizing your working relationship w/your nanny the way you are going about using the nanny cams. These are functional cameras and can benefit both nanny and parent, however by not telling your nanny, you are in a sense deceiving her. You have not really told us why you are not telling her about them in the house. Why didn't you just tell about them up front? You could have avoided this situation up front. Plus the fact that you have the cameras positioned to see the front bathroom door could be a gray area legality-wise. When caring for a small child, sometimes nature calls and you need to keep the door open since anything catastrophic could happen in those seconds you are doing your business. I know from personal experience as both a nanny and a parent. That is an invasion of privacy to have the cameras positioned at the front of the bathroom door as sometimes the provider must keep the door open just to be safe. <br />Anyway, this is just my opinion. If a nanny is okay w/this set-up, then more power to you both. But you need to TELL HER and stop being so sneaky. And don't think that a nanny wouldn't be abusive or neglectful on a crowded street. As the nanny sightings/pics on this website show, it could happen anywhere!! There is simply no 100% way of protecting your child from a bad provider. Sure, there are loopholes in the camera situation, but loopholes also exist w/bad nannies. If someone wants to do something abusive or neglectful, and they have access to your child, then they will find a way.Nanny Sarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-11680218735174062092010-05-30T22:08:14.666-04:002010-05-30T22:08:14.666-04:00Nanny Sarah-
Nanny is not permitted to take my so...Nanny Sarah-<br /><br />Nanny is not permitted to take my son in the car, as there's no use for it. We live in a very walking-friendly town- and we're just a few blocks from town center- so if she wants fresh air or to grab some lunch, she can take him in the stroller. Perhaps my logic here is imperfect, but I think it's less likely that she'd abuse him on a busy street surrounded by people than she would in my home where she is alone. <br /><br />As for the issue of how I know that she's not taking him into the bathroom to abuse him, it's quite simple. The cameras are positioned so that I can see the bathroom door. There's no reason for her to take him in there, so if I saw her do so on camera, I'd bring it up to her, or if there was indication of foul play, fire her. The layout of the house is quite open so that my two well positioned cameras can see where she is going. As it is, nanny and baby spend virtually all of their time in the great room, kitchen, and nursery, as there really is no reason for them to be elsewhere. <br /><br />My system isn't perfect. But in my mind, I've done and am doing my due diligence, as best I can, because it's what my son deserves. I suppose I could operate under the assumption that the nanny- in spite of a clean background, stellar references, and evidence of kind, nurturing care- is actually evil AND knows of the cameras (their existence and whereabouts), so she somehow manages to evade them and abuses my son there. But that's too extreme for me. I'm cautious, but fairly reasonable. And for now, that's good enough for me. I'm not sure how the alternative- no cameras- would be better. My system may have its loopholes, but doesn't no cameras have even bigger ones?OPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-46687836112525266212010-05-30T18:50:41.887-04:002010-05-30T18:50:41.887-04:00I think if someone were going to abuse my child th...I think if someone were going to abuse my child they would do it no matter what. Unless you have cameras in the car, how do you know what happens on daily outings and such? And even if you have them in the house, who's to say the nanny won't abuse my child in some other part of the house where she knows cameras are illegal. She may abuse him in the bathroom if she really wants to do it.<br />Why is that nannies are filmed, yet daycares do not typically have cameras? Or public schools? You hear more stories on the news about coaches abusing minors and such, yet nannies are under worse scrutiny. It's not fair.Nanny Sarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-70823909769241082242010-05-30T12:02:11.677-04:002010-05-30T12:02:11.677-04:00I will say again, I work in a home with cameras ev...I will say again, I work in a home with cameras everywhere, and while people are suprised when I tell them, it feels normal to me now. My employers didn't exactly tell me about them, but they didn't exactly hide it either. To all the nannies who say they wouldn't feel as comfortable being silly with the kids if there was a camera, I think eventually you just learn how to function without being fixated on the camera. When you are really engaged with a child, you give them whatever it is they need, no matter who is watching. I don't say that as a criticism, just to point out that you can be against something in theory, but in reality find that it's not a problem.nanny 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-21622800705270288972010-05-30T09:33:25.189-04:002010-05-30T09:33:25.189-04:00June,
I didn't promise anyone anything, and I...June,<br /><br />I didn't promise anyone anything, and I'm not sure why a promise to you (or anyone here) would be relevant, anyhow. You're not working in my home. The few people here that "get it"- the nannies that understand the point of the camera and who are neither offended nor put off by them- are the ones I'd want in my home. <br /><br />Further, the only advice I sought was for ideas as to why the nanny would be photographing the rooms in my home. I never sought nor invited your opinions about the camera, because frankly, I don't care. <br /><br />What I did say is that my intention all along was never to film every day and review the tapes every day. It's unnecessary. But, I will continue to leave the camera on (it only holds 48 hours, anyway), and if something happens to warrant suspicion on my part, I might go back and look to see if the tape provides any clues. <br /><br />I have a friend who had the same nanny for 3 years and they loved her. One day, she came home to find her one year old had fractured his leg. The nanny said he'd fallen off a pottery barn chair- a foot off the ground- but the orthopedic said it was not possible for that fall to cause the baby's specific injury. A nanny cam that had all but been forgotten- my friend said she hadn't reviewed the tape in over a year- was reviewed and they found the one year old had fallen down a flight of stairs while the nanny used the bathroom. While I would hope most nannies have better sense than to leave mobile infants unattended EVER, I do realize that all of us will make a stupid judgment on occasion. The fall alone was not grounds for firing, but the lying about it? When the child could have had head trauma or other broken bones that a fall off a foot-tall pottery barn chair would not have caused anyone to suspect? That's the kind of breach of trust that is grounds for immediate termination- and, in my friend's case, it was. <br /><br />Bottom line: Any nanny worth her salt ought to know that your employers' children are worth more to her than ANYONE'S purported right to or expectation of privacy ever will be. If you're doing a good job, it doesn't matter if you're being recorded. It just does not.OPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-21426164479243580212010-05-30T05:12:20.985-04:002010-05-30T05:12:20.985-04:00OP:
You're a real class act, you know that? Y...OP:<br /><br />You're a real class act, you know that? You ask for our advice, we give it and you say you'll drop the camera use. Great, but then you return, attack the weaker arguments, ignore the stronger arguments and blow off the ethical argument. You then proceed to go back on your original promise to drop the camera use. A real class act. I wouldn't trust you.Junenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-64597936130591095782010-05-30T05:03:43.826-04:002010-05-30T05:03:43.826-04:00case citation:
If you have no wish to correct ano...case citation:<br /><br />If you have no wish to correct another's misinterpretation, you shouldn't be here. We are polite enough here to say, "oh, I didn't mean that". It isn't too high a standard to set. That said, again, I don't believe you. I believe you intended it as an attack and I think it is shameful. <br /><br />As for having the last word, I don't care for it. You can go on for all time for all I care. Just be polite about it. Be willing to say you screwed up, because for the record you did screw up.<br /><br />And no one won, it wasn't a contest.Junenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-76682728329496569892010-05-29T21:13:39.797-04:002010-05-29T21:13:39.797-04:00OP if you honestly do not think it is unethical to...OP if you honestly do not think it is unethical to video tape someone w/out their knowledge, then all I can say is it speaks volumes about your character. Sure as a parent (I am one 3x over), I value my child's safety as #1 at ALL times. But what you are doing is deceptive. Why not just tell your Nanny? She obviously loves and cares for your baby while you cannot, the very LEAST you could do is show her some respect and let her know about the cameras. You also owe it to your son to treat his childcare provider w/the utmost respect which will insure he will only get optimal care while you cannot provide it.Nanny Sarahnoreply@blogger.com