tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post4722205882852972387..comments2024-03-19T03:27:24.068-04:00Comments on I SAW YOUR NANNY: Friday, February 27, 2009Leigh Raymerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18210572527823459842noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-66009379566290937602009-03-03T16:56:00.000-05:002009-03-03T16:56:00.000-05:00WTF?, way to go. Here, I will not argue with you a...WTF?, way to go. Here, I will not argue with you at all. You sound very reasonable - thanks for that. I kept saying: "I don't know what I would do with my kids, because I really don't - no kids, yet." I love my parents with all my heart. I don't think they did a lot of things wrong raising me - you are right that I will defend that. I was a very wild and stubborn child and a couple of times I did some very dangerous and stupid things, even though my parents warned me a million times before that. So, after I very nearly got injured - they swatted me on the butt. Was it the best way to snap me out of my stubborn spell - probably not. But it worked with me. I just knew what I was doing was very wrong. So, yea, I deserved to be spanked. <BR/>Now, I work with kids and I find new ways to deal with problems with them every day. I never hit, spank or pull ears, cause they are not my children. But again, I will see how it goes with my own.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-78820404561450883082009-03-03T15:12:00.000-05:002009-03-03T15:12:00.000-05:00Um, Etereia, before you go throwing yet another si...Um, Etereia, before you go throwing yet another silly little tantrum, *please* make a vague attempt at sticking to your original story. (Unless you really enjoy making an ass out of yourself, which may be the case, based on the evidence at hand.)<BR/><BR/>Last night you said: "You said you have never met intelligent people who spank their kids."<BR/><BR/>So today, you have quoted a pair of totally different posts from me where I did NOT say what you claim I said, and you seem to think that by quoting irrelevant posts, you are proving that *I* said what I did NOT say? and you seem to believe that you are somehow garnering credibility by doing so?<BR/><BR/>I may do you the favor of locating the post you are remembering, just for the fun of proving you wrong, but I'm afraid I'll be pretty busy the rest of the day and this evening, so you might want to do the homework for yourself. Unless you'd rathger "argue like a normal person" and keep dodging the questions posed to you.<BR/><BR/>WTF, obviously Etereia's parents already did their damage. She's admitted they made her think she "deserved" to be hit and that she will probably instill that notion into her own kids when she has them, and decides to start hitting them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-84348086851070984902009-03-03T13:39:00.000-05:002009-03-03T13:39:00.000-05:00>>>>>Is spanking the best way to di...>>>>>Is spanking the best way to discipline? Probably not.<BR/><BR/>Well, there you go. When you know better, you do better. Don't your future children deserve the best? Do your research on positive discipline long before you have kids so you'll be prepared. <BR/><BR/>I also want to point out that you've stated multiple times that you "deserved" to be hit. I find that disturbing. No child deserves that. Do you really want your future children to grow up feeling like they are do bad that they deserve to have people hitting them? That's just not right. When we love our parents, it's easy to try to defend everything they do. We have a tendency to view them and our childhood through rose colored glasses. It's okay to acknowledge that our parents were human and made mistakes in raising us without being disloyal. In fact, it's the only way to improve things for our own children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-78696355096174540902009-03-03T09:36:00.000-05:002009-03-03T09:36:00.000-05:00Let's see..."How any idiot can convince themselves...Let's see...<BR/>"How any idiot can convince themselves they are teaching their kids to do anything BUT resort to physically overpowering someone to get desired results is a real mystery." Feb 27, 2009 8:14:00 PM<BR/>"Sickening. And even more so that some halfwits promote the behavior." Feb 28, 2009 12:28:00 AM<BR/>The last time I checked, idiot and halfwit were not synonyms of intelligence.<BR/>And now, I really am done arguing with you, because I can see you are the main pig who can not learn to fly...or to argue like a normal person, either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-84282631810093947332009-03-03T01:58:00.000-05:002009-03-03T01:58:00.000-05:00Oh Etereia, you are too funny. I never said that I...Oh Etereia, you are too funny. I never said that I had never met any intelligent people who spank their kids. Just as you seem to imagine that anyone who uses an adjective in a sentence that you don't like is personally attacking YOU, you seem to be confusing everyone else who has disagreed with you with me. There are many who disagree with you that spanking = "good parenting."<BR/><BR/>Now, show me the post where I said what you imagine I said. Quote the whole thing please, with time stamp. TIA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-37029788229591799182009-03-03T01:45:00.000-05:002009-03-03T01:45:00.000-05:00Why, Cali Mom, now that I answered you, I have a c...Why, Cali Mom, now that I answered you, I have a couple of questions for you. You said you have never met intelligent people who spank their kids. And then you said your parents used to spank you. So, I am dying to know what your mom and dad's intake on that is. Are you saying they are dumb? Do they know about it? My second question is, why did you single me out to receive your wrath? Quite a few people expressed the same or similar to my opinion. Why did you unload your fury exactly on me? Just curious. <BR/>Jane Doe, I tried to stop this crap days ago. She is egging me on and I can't resist. Sorry about that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-7368096775428563742009-03-03T01:31:00.000-05:002009-03-03T01:31:00.000-05:00So Etereia, run by me just one more time your expl...So Etereia, run by me just one more time your explanation of why spanking is "not" hitting, because if you thought you had ever given it, I managed to miss it. Or wait, was that because you never could explain it? Why, yes. That would be the reason. So you concede then, that spanking <B>IS</B> hitting. Fair enough. Thanks.<BR/><BR/>Jane, yes. It's like trying to teach pigs to fly. (Watch out for the puddles, Etereia will be shedding some major tears at that expression, I'm sure.) Ans I will check out the facebook group.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-26494592284977667172009-03-02T18:44:00.000-05:002009-03-02T18:44:00.000-05:00Cali Mom,If you were to join Nanny Watchers on Fac...Cali Mom,<BR/>If you were to join Nanny Watchers on Facebook, I would gladly appoint you Anti Spanking Czar.<BR/><BR/>I appreciate that you have taken the time to express your point of view time and again on here. I believe we shame the same POV, but quite frankly some of these running into the street posts just exhaust me.<BR/><BR/>:)Jane Doehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16698679708921101708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-30615854766549574122009-03-02T12:13:00.000-05:002009-03-02T12:13:00.000-05:00Cali Mom, I just re-read your last two posts and I...Cali Mom, I just re-read your last two posts and I changed my mind. I am taking back whatever I just wrote. You asked for it. You are a ... to think that only your opinion is viable. You are ..., if you really fail to see that there IS something wrong with the way kids are raised here - what with them buying guns and shooting their classmates and teachers and terrorizing their parents. You are ..., if you don't see it necessary to first be a PARENT and then be a FRIEND with your kids. You are ..., if you think that I will agree with you, while you resort to personal cheap shots at me (fill in the blanks as you see fit). <BR/>Now, the explanation you are so insistent on getting. I don't know what I will tell my kids, cause I don't have them, yet. Maybe I will never have to touch them. My sister has never gotten hit, because she was a very good kiddo. My brother and I, on the other hand, were very hard-headed and stubborn. Same family, same parents, totally different characters. You keep asking about why my parents resorted to spanking. Well, see, it was more like a warning in extreme situations. I knew they would never beat the hell out of me, so when I got swatted on the behind I knew something big was coming - meaning a canceled ski-trip, or my favorite toy taken away forever, and other stuff like that. And I tell you, I was more than happy to get that reminder, rather than lose my favorite things. Did they smack me in frustration? Probably, once in a while. They are human. And where I come from, there are no nannies, no cleaning people, no gardeners, and no SAHMs. They worked very hard to provide for us. I had the best childhood ever. I am at a loss as to how to beat it into your ... head that I don't resent them, I love them more than anything in the world, and that I deserved it every time I got spanked. I am just being realistic. I have seen real abuse. I had a classmate in first grade, whose mom would beat him half to death and then she would lock him by himself in the house for days at a time. She got reported and the authorities took him away from her. This is a horrific abuse. A swat on the butt is not. Is spanking the best way to discipline? Probably not. I keep saying it, time and again, maybe your kids are mellow and nice and you just don't need to use harsh measures. If that's the case, good for all of you. But why can't you understand that some kids are just wilder? I have a good heart, I am not evil, I have actually never hit anybody in my life. I am not stupid, but wherever the hell did you get the impression that I said I had superior intelligence? My fiancee's father left them, when he was a kid, and now he resents his father for not staying and actually disciplining him. <BR/>When I have my first kid, I will be sure to find you here, on this blog (I love this web-site) and give you an update on my parenting.<BR/>I guess, now I have to apologize for my "invisible" insults :-) Take care.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-44577255811176867292009-03-02T10:44:00.000-05:002009-03-02T10:44:00.000-05:00Cali Mom, I am overwhelmed with gratitude, because...Cali Mom, I am overwhelmed with gratitude, because you gave me another chance to explain myself *eye-roll* See, here is the thing. I most definitely did not intend to turn my back and run; I just figured I would never get through to you and make you at least consider my point of view. Besides, I am sure there will be another instance, where we will be sparring again :-) This whole online war did bug me a little. I got tired of your personal attacks, and being called ugly names and picked on by you. So, during the weekend I mentioned this whole thing to my bosses, my parents and some of my friends. Even though some of these people are firm non-spankers (particularly my bosses) they were not happy with the way you handled your side of the argument.<BR/>The funny thing is - I kind of like you - meaning you are passionate about your cause and you stand by your beliefs, just like me. So, please, leave me in peace for a couple of days. I don't want to have to switch on to my monster mode and start hurling unnecessary insults.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-31569333964624927352009-03-02T01:27:00.000-05:002009-03-02T01:27:00.000-05:00And this repeated discussion made me remember sudd...And this repeated discussion made me remember suddenly the times that my parents spanked me. No, I do not feel abused, in fact I didn't even remember it happening until I thought about whether or not they did, but I can tell you, the times I do remember, it was very clearly out of frustration, because they had been ineffective in their previous attempts at discipline, and they'd either reach out and smack without a word (my dad did once, and I didn't even know why) or (my mom) I remembered once being in a screaming froth and at wit's end, overwhelmed and helpless at controlling me and my sisters and turning me over to spank hard, a bunch of times. I don't remember in the slightest what I was doing or if being hit made me stop, but the bottom line is, my parents were really ineffective, bad parents who probably shouldn't have had kids, even though they loved us, and they spanked, at least once in a while. Because they failed to communicate properly to us so had to resort to hitting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-82875814569244450082009-03-02T01:18:00.000-05:002009-03-02T01:18:00.000-05:00Etereia, no you didn't. But you have deomonstrated...Etereia, no you didn't. But you have deomonstrated that when given the chance, you'd rather turn tail and run than display that superior intelligence you so love to brag about.<BR/><BR/>Maybe you didn't understand the question the last 2 times I asked you, but I'll give you another chance. I did not ask you to define the difference between tapping oneself on the butt and punching oneself in the teeth. I asked you to explain why "tapping" a child on the butt, which you claim never hurts, is somehow magically effective in modifying their behavior, if it is not the same thing as "hitting". (Which it clearly is.) So go on, here's yet another opportunity for you to explain how YOU feel that spanking is not hittting. <BR/><BR/>Can't do it, can you?<BR/><BR/>I do not believe that smacking a child's bottom with an open hand is on the same levekl as those who so fondly remember their parents kicking them in the shins or back, punching them in the teeth, or threatening to do them grave bodily injury. But I DO think it is always a cop-out, purely emotive and ultimately counter-productive action, which ALWAYS has the effect (and cause), whether admitted by the parent or not, that hitting someone may get the results they want when all else fails. And a kid can skip other options and go straight to the method demonstrated by their parents. <BR/><BR/>You seriously plan to tell your child that it's OK for Mommy and Daddy to hit him because they are his parents, but it's not OK for him to hit the smaller kid at school that made him mad? What if he explains that he just "tapped" them, and it didn't really hurt them, they just cried because they were mad and wanted attention?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-20027054840621275592009-03-01T17:33:00.000-05:002009-03-01T17:33:00.000-05:00pro-spanker here!i was spanked by anyone who could...pro-spanker here!<BR/><BR/>i was spanked by anyone who could get their hands on me and i deserved it! i used to crawl under the pews at church and poke people with safety pins. lol.<BR/><BR/>i don't resent my mother for the discipline style she chose. i'm very close to my mother. i'm in therapy for other issues, but never once has spanking been something to be discussed.<BR/><BR/>this man on the show was abusive, he wasn't disciplining he was hitting. there is a difference between using spanking as a discipline method and using it because you are angry. <BR/><BR/>and i don't see why name calling here is necessary, we all have different opinions and different discipline styles, calling someone "stupid, dumb, & ignorant" are irrelevant to the discussion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-65306071414303755852009-03-01T17:18:00.000-05:002009-03-01T17:18:00.000-05:00Etereia,"tap yourself on the behind and then punch...Etereia,<BR/><BR/>"tap yourself on the behind and then punch yourself in the teeth-see if there is any difference."<BR/><BR/>LOL! I love you for this comment!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-84574966832986038412009-03-01T13:48:00.000-05:002009-03-01T13:48:00.000-05:00Egan that's BS. My mother spanked me for the righ...Egan that's BS. My mother spanked me for the right reasons, and I never ever resented her for it EVER. I knew she was right and I knew she did it for a reason. And it taught me to not cross boundaries and not disrespect her. I love her more than anything and she's been the perfect mother. I don't know why people here are sooooooo sooooo uptight about spanking. IT'S A SIN! IT'S A SIN! Please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-81416445941351556882009-03-01T13:43:00.000-05:002009-03-01T13:43:00.000-05:00Spanking is reserved for the parents because they ...Spanking is reserved for the parents because they are the ones in charge of raising and correcting the kids, not the nanny unless of course parents give them permission.<BR/><BR/>I don't see why people make a big fuzz about a light spank or a light smack on the hands. It has to be completely justified and used as last resort of course, not out of nowhere. You're not hurting the child in any serious way. I'm sure most of you have been spanked at least once, it's not a big deal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-26581587184015881742009-03-01T12:00:00.000-05:002009-03-01T12:00:00.000-05:00I said I was done, but you people really know how ...I said I was done, but you people really know how to pull me back into the battle. What, Gabriela voiced my point on the cutting very thoroughly. In fact, I first heard about cutting when I came to the US 5 years ago - we don't do crap like that in my country. And I saw the results of "2,000 ways to teach children" in Columbine and Ohio (we don't do crap like that either.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-50292178825540381622009-03-01T10:51:00.000-05:002009-03-01T10:51:00.000-05:00sara:do you believe that all 'spankees' become cut...sara:<BR/><BR/>do you believe that all 'spankees' become cutters or self-abusers?<BR/><BR/>do you think that children who are not spanked do not do those types of things?<BR/><BR/>a very basic tenet of human behavior statistic study is that correlation does not equal causation. just because some people cut themselves, and they may have been spanked, does not mean that the spanking caused the cutting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-916558013799043782009-03-01T03:54:00.000-05:002009-03-01T03:54:00.000-05:00etereia - what about what sara said? what's your v...etereia - what about what sara said? what's your view on that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-53935606000474983362009-03-01T02:20:00.000-05:002009-03-01T02:20:00.000-05:00Cali Mom, I believe I answered your question about...Cali Mom, I believe I answered your question about the difference between a tap and a hit in one of my previous comments. If you still can not make the distinction, I suggest that you tap yourself on the behind and then punch yourself in the teeth - see if there is any difference.<BR/>OK, I am done with this discussion. Talk to all of you again soon on another thread.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-77376057483292732672009-02-28T23:28:00.000-05:002009-02-28T23:28:00.000-05:00Spankees become cutters or do other things to abus...Spankees become cutters or do other things to abuse, sabotage, punish themselves. You can take whole courses on the damages inflicted by spanking. Forget how hard you hit or tap the child, it's all about humiliation.<BR/><BR/>Don't do it.<BR/><BR/>And batten down the hatches, we're in for a fierce storm tomorrow night. If you are stuck in with your children all day, please don't spank them!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-32720333382508245352009-02-28T20:57:00.000-05:002009-02-28T20:57:00.000-05:00wow. this thread has gone off topic.in response to...wow. this thread has gone off topic.<BR/><BR/>in response to the question re: the man in the video--<BR/><BR/>yes. he is abusive. do i think he should be put in jail? i think the damage done to his children and family would be so great that that would not likely be the best answer.<BR/><BR/>also, on the off topic point:<BR/>i was spanked as a child. i was the child of very young parents who are now the greatest people in the world to me. they were not right, but mistakes can be forgiven.<BR/><BR/>so. does this mean that i must be the product of inbred idiots? must i be 'unintelligent,' as so many people seem to think? must i be on that strain of dna that humanity is evolving out of? (and when people start that 'more highly evolved' argument i love it!! as if there is a spanking gene!!! where is that person? (= )<BR/><BR/>kids, i attend grad school at an ivy league university!<BR/><BR/>yeah, i think the guy from florida is a dumbass. but he probably loves his kids, too. everyone is human at the end of the day, no more and no less.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-19522802550287167642009-02-28T19:26:00.000-05:002009-02-28T19:26:00.000-05:00OK, Eteria: define the difference between a "tap" ...OK, Eteria: define the difference between a "tap" and a "hit". Apparently a "tap" doesn't hurt (or so you claimed) but it somehow magically made you do whatever your mom and dad wanted you to do when they "tapped" you. And despite the fact that you are happy about your parents having "tapped" you whenever you did something "trying", you keep bragging that you don't "tap" your charges. Should I congratulate you then, on being a paid caregiver who does not hit kids?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-42065688437291861662009-02-28T19:06:00.000-05:002009-02-28T19:06:00.000-05:00eteria sounds like a deviant who is itching to get...eteria sounds like a deviant who is itching to get her hands on her charge and spank them up.<BR/><BR/>elphaba has another child running in the street story. seriously?<BR/><BR/>you people!<BR/>you scare me.<BR/>I would never hire a nanny who spanked her own children, not ever.<BR/>There is an ignorance that comes with having that spanking card in your pocket. Almost like that is the top dog of discipline when in reality there are 2,000 ways to teach children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-19880289513253992782009-02-28T18:16:00.000-05:002009-02-28T18:16:00.000-05:00Mercy,Good for you! I'm glad that your children AL...Mercy,<BR/>Good for you! I'm glad that your children ALWAYS respond to time-outs and gentle words.<BR/>My Children USUALLY respond to time-outs and talking too...but every once in a blue moon they don't. I don't run around smacking my kids in the face (NEVER EVER), and I VERY RARELY spank their bums. <BR/>My Daughter is now 7 and has only recieved 2 spankings in her life. one when she was almost hit by a car while chasing a cat...well, I spanked her and then hugged her while sobbing my eyes out!<BR/>My Parents NEVER spanked me and I was a Holy Terror as a child! When I was 8, my Great Grandmother (92 years) was over for dinner and witnessed me smacking my little brother around. I remember seeing her walk up to me and then grabbing my ear and giving me 3 BIG swats on the behind. I didn't cry...I was in SHOCK! I will never forget that day, and from that point on I never EVER beat up my brother again. <BR/>Now I wouldn't use that kind of discipline on my kids (I can't be that harsh), but I sure respect my Grammy! She saved me!<BR/>I love my Parents God Bless them...but they were big time wimps!<BR/>It's okay not to spank...but it's never ruled out as an option in my house!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com