tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post2306210410325344210..comments2024-03-19T03:27:24.068-04:00Comments on I SAW YOUR NANNY: ISYN Reader Needs Help Stopping AbuserLeigh Raymerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18210572527823459842noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-59152168383489905662011-09-22T21:34:39.033-04:002011-09-22T21:34:39.033-04:00Aussie Nanny, there are more than a few good Nanni...Aussie Nanny, there are more than a few good Nannies out there...honestly. I think this horrible Nanny is in the minority.Nanny Katenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-90588591421709977822011-09-21T01:43:05.292-04:002011-09-21T01:43:05.292-04:00Im so sorry Nanny E. I was horrified whilst readin...Im so sorry Nanny E. I was horrified whilst reading your post! <br />Shame on that Nanny! I would be doing everything I could to make sure she NEVER worked with kids again.<br />It sounds like you are doing a great job of that.<br />Please give your little one a hug. Traumatized or not, it was still a shitty situation that she was in, regardless of her age!<br />I hope this hasn't scared your image of nannies. There are a few of us good ones out there.<br />All the best.AussieNannyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16119227413770281043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-55911395337310503262011-09-18T22:32:53.007-04:002011-09-18T22:32:53.007-04:00Well said Amy Darling ◄.Well said Amy Darling ◄.Freud's Childnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-88962005411636398162011-09-18T16:25:55.630-04:002011-09-18T16:25:55.630-04:00I agree that some of you posters are missing the p...I agree that some of you posters are missing the point. You guys are all looking at the surface, but in order to think critically, one must look deeper. That is what Freuds Child is doing. It is not about comparing homosexuality with being a Nanny. It is about comparing legality with ethics.Amy Darling ◄noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-66726249679793695352011-09-18T03:33:03.167-04:002011-09-18T03:33:03.167-04:00Nanny E: Are you both a Nanny and a Mother?Nanny E: Are you both a Nanny and a Mother?Ms. Nanny Frannynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-41243054559439083692011-09-18T00:19:05.593-04:002011-09-18T00:19:05.593-04:001. Every family should have at least one, preferab...1. Every family should have at least one, preferably a number, of nanny cameras and nannies need to learn that the cameras provide a level of protection for us too. I could have used one three years ago. It would have saved my charges and I from a lot of heartache when the parents' had some pretty strange ideas put in their head. Nothing I said or did could change their minds, nothing my charges said or did could, even they admitted they were being unreasonable. Everything just ended. Nothing has ever hurt me more than that event. A nanny cam could have saved the day then. I miss them.<br /><br />2. OP, you've done good work. There is nothing overprotective about a nanny cam and this event proves it. Just so long as you don't go Seinfeld on your nannies and begin over-analyzing irrelevant details you should be fine. If you can file a report with a state child protective agency in addition to that police report, I would do it. What you've done already should show up on a background check, but don't get me wrong, I agree with the comments above that you should call her references and offer to share the video. A bad background and no references should hurt her chances of working with children again. Do what you can, but understand, there are limitations to what you can do. There are too many parents who never run background checks or bother with references, she'll get to them. There is nothing you can do about that.seattleish nannynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-14038288071749911162011-09-17T23:23:42.225-04:002011-09-17T23:23:42.225-04:00Haha Leslie! Nanny E is right! You have no idea w...Haha Leslie! Nanny E is right! You have no idea what you are talking about! You just made yourself sound like a complete moron. LMAO!!!dumbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-3474536537390707752011-09-17T23:18:31.882-04:002011-09-17T23:18:31.882-04:00@ Leslie,
Ummm.. I think YOU are the one who isn&...@ Leslie,<br /><br />Ummm.. I think YOU are the one who isn't getting it. Freud wasn't trying to give us the definition of ethical vs. legal, she was giving her opinion that she thought it was unethical that I recorded my abusive nanny without her permission. <br /><br />Dr. Juris and I were upset that she put the issue of gay discrimination and the use of a nanny cam in the same category, as if the nanny being recorded is some kind of victim. I do not agree with this. It has nothing to do with me not "getting" what she was saying.Nanny Enoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-23444131220649883872011-09-17T22:37:07.309-04:002011-09-17T22:37:07.309-04:00I read Freud's comment and I think you all are...I read Freud's comment and I think you all are missing the point. The point is comparing ethics vs. the law. What she is saying is that some laws while legal, are unethical. It is a plain and simple comparison...I cannot understand why so many of you missed this.<br /><br />Yes, it was illegal for some time for Gays to serve in our military, and it was also unethical to do so.<br /><br />Abortion is legal today, however some people feel it is unethical for doctors to perform this procedure.<br /><br />Filming someone w/out his or her permission is completely legal in all fifty states, yet many people find this unethical.<br /><br />Get it?♥♥ Leslie ♥♥noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-29919106365164442642011-09-17T16:25:20.638-04:002011-09-17T16:25:20.638-04:00@ Dr Juris,
Hahahaha! That crucible one still mak...@ Dr Juris,<br /><br />Hahahaha! That crucible one still makes me laugh when I think about it! ;)<br /><br />@Sigh,<br /><br />Thank you! As a lesbian woman, that comment of Freud's was borderline offensive, not to mention a completely ludicrous comparisonNanny Enoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-67619967500207725582011-09-17T15:35:33.949-04:002011-09-17T15:35:33.949-04:00There have been some seriously cracked out compari...There have been some seriously cracked out comparisons lately. Gays in the military with recording a nanny? Cheating nannies with characters of The Crucible? Drunk driving and taking the subway at night?<br /><br />Lord have mercy.Ms. Dr. Jurishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17876618355506593095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-66775783356123149782011-09-17T12:16:17.926-04:002011-09-17T12:16:17.926-04:00Freud you sound stupid. Comparing gay discriminat...Freud you sound stupid. Comparing gay discrimination with being recorded on a nanny cam? Way to be awesomesighhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-89517414572204809862011-09-17T11:14:40.435-04:002011-09-17T11:14:40.435-04:00@ Freud's Child..
Yeah, well abusing children...@ Freud's Child..<br /><br />Yeah, well abusing children isn't ethical eitherNanny Enoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-78127395069875528482011-09-17T02:35:52.615-04:002011-09-17T02:35:52.615-04:00While filming someone w/out their knowledge is leg...While filming someone w/out their knowledge is legal, it certainly is not ethical in my opinion. Just like banning Gays in the Military was not considered illegal, but it was unethical.Freud's Child.....♥noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-16237373877834181672011-09-14T22:38:40.802-04:002011-09-14T22:38:40.802-04:00Well said to Wow.
These girls think they can just...Well said to Wow.<br /><br />These girls think they can just "sit" on the sofa, eat, watch T.V., check their Facebook, etc...while they make an "easy" fifteen bucks an hr. It's girls like this that give all of us Nannies such a bad name.<br /><br />I am very serious about my job, I treat it just like any other job out there..yet it irks me that some families prefer to hire the young college girl since she attends a prestigious University while I attend a measly Jr. College.Amy Darling ◄noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-28612290950677649292011-09-14T18:53:10.884-04:002011-09-14T18:53:10.884-04:00MissMannah...
They get into the childcare industr...MissMannah...<br /><br />They get into the childcare industry because they think it's easy money. But we know there's nothing easy about caring for children. When they're challenged in any way, they lash out at the children. It's a shame.Wownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-47644928021276004792011-09-14T13:32:55.190-04:002011-09-14T13:32:55.190-04:00E, I thought as much. Emotional abuse is still a ...E, I thought as much. Emotional abuse is still a very sticky subject as far as the law is concerned. Personally, I think that is BS--as a victim of both, I wholeheartedly believe emotional abuse is 10x worse than physical abuse. I am glad to hear your daughter is doing ok, I hope this was just a one-time incident so it really won't do any lasting damage.<br /><br />One thing that always goes through my mind when reading these horror stories...why the heck do these women get into the childcare industry when they obviously do not like children?MissMannahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-56923248310296531752011-09-14T06:03:22.367-04:002011-09-14T06:03:22.367-04:00Nanny E, thank you for the info. And contacting he...Nanny E, thank you for the info. And contacting her past references was a good move. <br /><br />Give your daughter a big hug for us... I am so glad to hear she is doing well.MaryPoppin'Pillshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01493804863551764605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-24014856285782863972011-09-13T22:00:03.991-04:002011-09-13T22:00:03.991-04:00Leslie,
Come on - therapy, irreparable damage?!? ...Leslie,<br /><br />Come on - therapy, irreparable damage?!? Even OP is telling you her daughter is fine. She is 2yo for goodness sakes. What happened was awful and OP is being a brave and wonderful mom by taking the steps she is taking. But her daughter is and will be fine. <br /><br />Tales,<br /> <br />It is my understanding (though I haven't done the actual research in a couple of years) that hidden nanny cams without sound are legal in all 50 states. Juris's review seems to support this. In regards to the statue you quoted, see this website for clarification:<br /><br />http://www.ehow.com/info_8376251_georgia-laws-spy-cameras.html<br /><br />Look at 2B and 2C and read Exceptions at the bottom. Nanny cams are legal in GA.<br /><br />Regarding consent for minors, this one I am sure of as I deal with it in my job all the time. Yes, a parent (or legal guardian) absolutely can speak for their minor child and make decisions/give consent on their behalf. When we admit a minor to the psychiatric hospital, there is no question that the parent can give consent for the minor to be admitted under voluntary status.nycmomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-37375077585089730782011-09-13T21:41:24.271-04:002011-09-13T21:41:24.271-04:00OP...what about contacting the Nanny agency direct...OP...what about contacting the Nanny agency directly? Did you do that?<br /><br />While I do not see the need for therapy, I think it would only be natural for your daughter to be a little leery of any future caregivers. I agree that two yr olds are very smart these days.Mrs. Billy Lamarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-35340077127497957832011-09-13T21:35:10.682-04:002011-09-13T21:35:10.682-04:00I actually just started reading up on it on Westla...I actually just started reading up on it on Westlaw and it looks like the consent extends to the child. Here's the case, if you can look it up: <br /><br /> State v. Diaz, 706 A.2d 264 (1998)<br /><br />Essentially, it states that the Constitution does not protect a nanny's privacy in someone else's house, and that a videotape without sid not violate the Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance Control Act, but furthremore, that sound was admissible because the parents had consented to their child being taped. <br /><br />This is one of the leading cases on this matter.Ms. Dr. Jurishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17876618355506593095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-66033825498783267182011-09-13T21:29:53.714-04:002011-09-13T21:29:53.714-04:00Also, since OP was not taping a discussion she was...Also, since OP was not taping a discussion she was having with the nanny, I don't know if the consent or knowledge of one of the people being recorded would hold up. Does OP have the right to act for her child, or in her stead in that case? IOW, OP wasn't THERE, and her kid was. Does OP's "consent" apply to her minor child, or would the child have had to give permission to be recorded...<br /><br />Legal tangles!Tales from the (Nanny)Hoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14266117417206315356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-30648630122558380922011-09-13T21:24:34.355-04:002011-09-13T21:24:34.355-04:00Recording SOUND in a video is considered wiretappi...Recording SOUND in a video is considered wiretapping in many states, and since OP stated she HEARD the nanny scream at her daughter....<br /><br />Of course, I missed where Op stated she lives in NY, so it may be a moot point.Tales from the (Nanny)Hoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14266117417206315356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-2595912392980654702011-09-13T21:22:44.434-04:002011-09-13T21:22:44.434-04:00Tales from the Nanny(hood),
I actually live in Ne...Tales from the Nanny(hood),<br /><br />I actually live in New York State, so I don't have to worry about those laws, but thank you for the info!<br /><br />And I actually did contact her former employer,told her what happened and sent her the tape. She actually started crying over the phone, because the nanny cared for her sons full time for three years. We both are trying to do all we can to nail her!Nanny E/OPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32916951.post-6619221087573578372011-09-13T21:22:28.559-04:002011-09-13T21:22:28.559-04:00And for NYC mom, since she and I disagree about te...And for NYC mom, since she and I disagree about telling nannies at the time of an interview that they may be taped...<br /><br />My state laws is as follows:<br /><br />"Use of a hidden camera “without the consent of all persons observed, to observe, photograph, or record the activities of another which occur in any private place and out of public view” is illegal as well. Code Ann. § 16-11-62(2)."<br /><br />So, in my state, employers HAVE to reveal or they are breaking the law. And to top it off, a nanny recorded without her consent can sue in civil court. <br /><br />Again, the info quoted comes from this site:<br /><br />http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states.htmlTales from the (Nanny)Hoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14266117417206315356noreply@blogger.com